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Where does Reggie Miller rank in the pantheon of shooting guards?

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Reggie Miller’s 2,560 career three-pointers rank second in NBA history. (Manny Millan/SI)

It’s Hall of Fame week, which means players and coaches are going to say very nice things about former teammates set to be inducted on Friday. At any time outside that friendly context, I’d be worried that the Warriors had hitched their team to a head coach with cloudy judgment when it comes to pretty basic things. Their coach, Mark Jackson, said the following about Reggie Miller, set to enter the Hall on Friday (via Mike Wells of the Indy Star):

“When you take Michael Jordan and you take Kobe Bryant out of the discussion, he’s as good as any two-guard that has ever played the game,” Jackson said.

Miller was a fantastic player whose longevity, nearly unprecedented for a wing player, allowed him to pile up insane career numbers; only 16 players have scored more combined ABA/NBA regular-season points than Miller’s 25,279. And Miller isn’t just a longevity Hall of Fame case. He was the centerpiece of an Indiana offense that typically ranked among the league’s 10 best (and higher during the late 1990s/early 2000s), and he was ahead of his time in embracing the three-point shot as a game-changing weapon. Miller took more threes than five entire teams in 1989-90, and he relied on the triple for between one-third and nearly half of his shot attempts for the bulk of his career. He got to the free-throw line more than people remember, even if he had to use some shady leg kicks and flops to get there, and he dished a respectable number of assists — though an expected number, given how much attention he’d draw curling off screens on the wing.

He pulled a rare postseason double for most of his career, taking on an increasing burden within Indiana’s offense (more shots, higher usage rate) while also increasing his efficiency. That’s hard to do. Miller’s postseason career is littered with crazy clutch shots, most famously against the Knicks (especially in 1995) and his game-winner in the conference finals against Chicago in 1998, a series in which the Pacers came closer to beating Chicago than any other team during Michael Jordan’s run of titles.

And while Miller’s frail frame and so-so athleticism meant he was never going to be much of a defender, he was smart about positioning and played heavy minutes for very good defensive teams.

All that said: There is just no way Miller is anything close to the No. 3 shooting guard of all time. This isn’t quite the place for an exhaustive ranking of the NBA’s shooting guards — authors have devoted entire books to the subject — but here’s a quick and dirty list of guys who at least complicate Miller’s place in the hierarchy.

Clearly above Miller

Jerry West: We start with a player who embodies two recurring themes that often arise when ranking Miller: the fact that several of these two-guards reached higher peaks than Miller and often did so while playing more of an all-around game. The best shooting guards can essentially man the point for long stretches, running pick-and-rolls, tossing assists and serving as the on-ball focal point of an offense. Miller could never do that consistently, though he was good at catching on the move and taking a dribble or two into the lane for a floater, layup or attempt at drawing a foul.

The Logo ranked among the league leaders in assists for most of his career and was considered an elite defender, with long arms he used to generate piles of steals before the league reliably tracked the stat. Despite a series of ill-timed nagging postseason injuries, West can put his clutch résumé against that of any other player. He’s still the only guy to win Finals MVP in a losing cause (for his work in the 1969 Finals).

Dwyane Wade: If Wade picks up a couple of more rings and scores an efficient 2,000 points per season over the next half-decade or so, the West/Bryant/Wade argument for the No. 2 all-time shooting guard spot is going to be interesting. Wade entered the league four years after Bryant in terms of raw age and trails Kobe by nearly 15,000 points (!). He’ll close that gap once Bryant retires, but Wade is already 30 and showing signs of wear and tear; even some optimistic projections would leave him 10,000 points behind Kobe.

Wade is never again going to average 30 a game, as Bryant did three times and Wade has done once, but he has shot much more efficiently from the floor, matched Bryant as a foul-drawing threat and exceeded Kobe as a passer/pseudo-point guard. Both are elite defenders when engaged, though Kobe is longer and better equipped to defend small forwards.

Still, Wade has the sixth-highest Player Efficiency Rating in league history. Sixth! That’s higher than Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson and several other luminaries, and 13 spots higher than Kobe. Wade’s greatness has gone weirdly underappreciated, and though Kobe has a clear historical edge now, the debate has the potential to be pretty close when both are through. Either way, both are far above Miller.

Clyde Drexler: We’re getting into dicier territory now, but I’m comfortable putting the Glide above Miller. He ranks 79 spots above Miller on the all-time PER list, and like West and Wade, he was just a more dynamic creator than Miller. Drexler averaged between 5.7 and 8.0 assists per game for eight straight seasons in his prime and could help an offense in more ways. He was the linchpin of one of the great teams to never win a title (the late 1980s/early 1990s Blazers), and he had the size to play small forward in three-guard lineups without fatally compromising his team’s defense.

Interesting Miller-related cases

We’re going to go quickly now, by era:

Modern era

Allen Iverson: He played selfishly, shot inefficiently, gambled for steals and needed just the right context to succeed on both ends of the floor. He’s also in the top 50 all time in PER and the top 20 in points (for now), and his teams scored at dramatically better rates with him on the floor for nearly his entire career. Roster context had a lot to do with that, especially on those scoring-challenged Sixers teams, but Iverson’s all-around talent helped, too.

Vince Carter: I’ve speculated at length on whether Carter will be the highest scoring player left out of the Hall, since his occasionally shaky postseason play and inglorious exit from Toronto justifiably mar his case. At his peak, Carter was a better player than Miller, but Miller’s postseason heroics, consistency and general work ethic/loyalty probably outweigh Carter’s superior statistical heights.

Tracy McGrady: As is the case with his cousin, Carter, there will always be a subset of fans that question McGrady’s Hall-worthiness — and with reason. He never won a postseason series as an active player (the Rockets advanced to the second round in 2009 while he was on the injured list) despite a premature boast during the 2003 playoffs, though it’s hard to look at his postseason history and find a series in which his team clearly should have won. His coach and GM in Houston openly questioned his work ethic (something McGrady has done himself), and he had a relatively brief eight-season prime, with a mini four-season super-prime squeezed in there. He also brings the same positional issues as George Gervin, having played a lot of small forward, especially early in his career.

But, holy cow, was McGrady’s peak high. He was and is an ingenious passer, and that all-around ability propelled him in 2002-03 to one of only 16 30-plus PER seasons in league history. Again, McGrady was clearly a better player than Miller when both were in their respective peaks, but the other stuff — postseason success, work ethic issues, etc. — probably gives Miller the career edge.

Manu Ginobili: This is going to be a classic longevity-versus-peak/rings debate, but I’d argue that Ginobili has been a better all-around player than Miller for most of his career. He’s 32nd all time in PER, a hair behind John Stockton, and he is good to great at every single thing a shooting guard is expected to do — long-range shooting, passing, the pick-and-roll, transition play, finishing in the paint, on-ball and off-ball defense, moving without the ball, etc. He put up assist numbers of which Miller could never dream. There are also the three rings, for those interested in counting pieces of jewelry awarded to teams.

Still, Ginobili has barely cracked 10,000 career regular-season points, the result of his coming to the NBA at the relatively ancient age of 25 and serving as sixth man under a coach far ahead of the curve in understanding how to manage minutes. Ginobili has produced at an above-Miller level when unleashed for extended minutes. Toss in a nearly unparalleled international career, both in the Euroleague and for his Argentine national team, and you could easily argue that Ginobili will end up a better Springfield candidate than Miller.

Ray Allen: Perhaps the most similar player to Miller, in terms of his reliance on the three-point shot, his proficiency at it and his ability to remain a productive player into his late-30s. He has less than a one-point edge on Miller in PER, so the battle is close to even in terms of efficiency stats. Allen might not have a flashbulb postseason moment equal to Miller’s 1995 or 1998 moments, but he has a few very close candidates — the clinching basket of Boston’s mammoth Game 4 comeback in the 2008 Finals, those record-setting eight triples in Game 2 of the 2010 Finals and his 51-point masterpiece in Game 6 of that epic Boston-Chicago 2009 first-rounder.

I’d give Allen the edge for his work as the centerpiece of Seattle’s offenses in the mid-2000s, when Allen worked an off-the-bounce/pick-and-roll game that led to a brief but significant uptick in assists and shots near the basket. But it’s close.

Joe Dumars: A Finals MVP and super-plus defender who has to rate a notch below Miller. Dumars can’t touch Miller’s scoring or efficiency and didn’t have to carry a burden as heavy as Miller’s until very late in his career, when the Pistons slid down the NBA’s hierarchy.

1970s/80s

Moving even more quickly now as we enter the era before the three-point shot:

Rick Barry: Very close to getting into the above “clearly better than Miller” category, and he probably belongs there. Barry was difficult to deal with and may have sabotaged Golden State’s chances at a repeat title in 1975-76 by (allegedly) refusing to shoot in Game 7 of the conference finals against Phoenix.

But, holy cow, was this guy a wizard on the floor — a dynamite passer who could control an offense both on and off the ball. He carried Golden State to the 1974-75 title, finished with the exact same number of combined ABA/NBA points as Miller, drew a ton of free throws and shot the three-pointer well during his pioneering time in the ABA. When focused and at peace, a better all-around player than Miller.

George Gervin: Gervin switched from small forward to shooting guard midstream and absolutely tore up the ABA and the NBA, including a few seasons in which he approached 55 percent (!) from the floor for those fun (and weirdly unremembered) late-1970s/early 1980s San Antonio teams. He has Miller lapped in PER and earned more free throws. The passing numbers are similar, but Gervin was by his own admission an indifferent defender.

Pete Maravich: He dominated the ball as something like a point guard for most of his college and pro career, and Maravich obviously blows Miller away as a passer. His field-goal percentages are so-so and he had a reputation for selfish play, but one wonders what his scoring numbers would look like had the league implemented the three-point shot during his prime. He did not win a playoff series until working as a bench player in Boston during the 1979-80 season, though a knee injury interrupted his most promising season with the Jazz. Injuries were a recurring theme of Maravich’s career, limiting him to just five seasons of 70-plus games. Miller had the better career.

Earl Monroe: He probably has to rank a bit behind Miller despite some gaudy early-career scoring numbers and a place on one legendary title team, the 1972-73 Knicks. Monroe semi-willingly sublimated his scoring game to fit within New York’s share-the-ball philosophy but remained a pretty efficient per-minute scorer during the latter stages of his career.

Dave Bing: The Detroit mayor swung between guard positions throughout his career. He was a prolific scorer and passer during his point guard days, but he was never especially efficient, and his Detroit teams — which included Bob Lanier — never won a playoff series. Bing ranks well below Miller in PER and career points, and belongs behind him in the all-time two-guard hierarchy.

(Note: There are some other names we could toss on this list to be super-inclusive, including Lou Hudson, Gail Goodrich and a few others, but the arguments become tough and space is tight.)

Very early NBA — and thus very hard to evaluate

Bill Sharman: He was a star on Boston’s early Bob Cousy-era teams with a career shooting mark (42 percent) that looks bad now but looks fine in the context of the very bricky 1950s NBA when teams shot below 40 percent. Sharman is in the Hall as a player and a coach, having advanced the coaching profession during his title-winning work in both the ABA and the NBA, the latter with the early 1970s Lakers. It’s hard to make a case for him over Miller.

Sam Jones: Sharman’s heir as the designated shooter on Boston title teams. Jones shot a solid 46 percent from the floor, averaged about 20 points per game and has a laundry list of famous clutch shots to his name. He played a central role on all eight of Boston’s title teams from 1958-59 through 1965-66. Jones has an argument for a place above Miller on the all-time list, but these kinds of historical comparisons are basically impossible.

Hal Greer: The leading scorer in the history of the Nationals/76ers franchise, and the second-leading scorer on Philadelphia’s 1966-67 title team — considered in some quarters (not these) the greatest in NBA history. Greer never topped 17.5 in PER in any season and was not particularly great at anything outside of scoring two-point baskets. A very hard player to evaluate, but not one obviously deserving of a place above Miller.

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    devmy2008 5 pts

    Those that don't know, go back in history.

    devmy2008 5 pts

    How could you NOT put Andrew Toney on any list as far as shooters goes.

    D-Mon 5 pts

    Please, he had ONE big game against the Knicks and everyone thinks he is awesome. Dude played poor defense, couldnt rebound. OHH but he could shoot a clutch 3 here and there. Clearly not enough to be in the Hall. Only Hall he gets is the Crack Smokers Hall of Fame

    Cooper Household 5 pts

    Only player to lead a team to "challenge" the greatest player (Jordan) and possibly greatest dynasty (90's Bulls) of all time.  If any of the other players listed had Rik Smits, Dale Davis, Derrick Mckey and Mark Jackson as the other four starters, they would not be as well known.  Basketball is a team game.  When talking about the best players, we aren't talking about the most talented.  We aren't talking about if they played one on one.  We are talking about what they meant to their team's success.  Indiana was nothing without Reggie and with him a consistent force in the East. Yes he only played in one finals and won zero. But lets not forget, he played during an era where several of the greatest players to ever play didn't win a ring as well (Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Stockton) because of some player named Jordan. And great players don't always need to put up the greatest statistics.  Only do what is required of them to win.  No player could have put up 27-30 points per game in the Pacers system and have the defensive minded team still be successful.  Replace Reggie with Dwade, Iverson, Vince Carter or even Ray Allen and those Pacers teams don't make it out of the first round of the playoffs.  Period. 

    TheRealMikeB_ 5 pts

    shooting gaurd.... he is top 10.   Clutch shooter..... he is top 3

    RaySexauer 16 pts

    Dude is a hall of fame player and one of the greatest clutch players of all time. And that's coming from a Knicks fan. 

    Ray6 5 pts

    Reggie Miller was right around Clyde Drexler, Ray Allen and Joe Dumars. (as a piston fan, I always kind of likened Joes status to be like Millers status.)  Stats can be helped by being on a good team and by being on a bad team.  If it's that close to debate, I always think of things like this....

     

    You have a championship quality team missing only a sg, who do you choose to play in the finals and get you that ring?  Certainly would not be Allen Iverson. Certainly not Latrell Sprewell. 

     

    I'd say top 10..without really making a list....Can't quite make the top 5.

     

    Now if you talk, who was the most 'MONEY' sg....then we might be talking top 5.  Reggie is more money that Wade, imo.

    marxjgm 7 pts

    anyone who can give the choke sign to Spike Lee to shut him the F-Up deserves it.

    Edward10 6 pts

    You know its interesting to see what Reggie's numbers and legacy would be with a hall of fame big ala Shaq in the case of Kobe and Wade, Duncan/Robinson with Ginobli, Chamberlin with West, or in the case of Drexler - Olajuwon, Reggie played with very good teammates and maybe an eventual HOFr in Mark Jackson but no legend, Jordan-Dumars-Allen all of these players had legendary HOFrs on their team.  For his entire career Reggie was in a similar predicament that Julius Irving was before Moses Malone and yes George Gervin. Miller should be remembered as the perfect  foil to Jordan, remember the 57 points and bowing to the arenas, the scrappy jabs and fights he and Jordan had, the welcome back number 45 I'm gonna rain 50 on you today! or the off screen in your face game winner in the 98 Eastern Conference finals... I think that's more than Knick defining moments.

    qhoops 5 pts

    I think Reggie is in the ballpark with many of the guys mentioned in this article, but I feel uncomfortable putting him in top 5 at his position. He's not a good enough all-around player to be top 5 in shooting guards. Here's my top 5 SG's all-time

     

    1. Jordan

    2.West

    3.Kobe

    4.Drexler

    5.Barry

     

    MrPtriple 5 pts

    Before you all go calling Regii over-rated, please remember that when he played the game was different.  Defenders could put their hands on you and the refs didn't call ticky-tack fouls.  This is the days of real defenders.  Furhtermore, any real player will tell you that the best part of Reggie's defense was running you off of screens on offense.  After 5 trips down the floor of chasing Reggie all around and trying to hold him coming off screens, the other player was too tired to try to score on Reggie.  Furthermore, the dude ranks among the type 20 scorers in the history of the league.  Add to that, he was not a threat to drive past anyone, yet no-one could stop him from scoring...and they knew what he was gonna do: catch the ball off of a screen, give a rocker step or a sweep through, then elevate and bust all in your face.  Maybe not top3, but certainly HOF worthy.

    maurom80 5 pts

    Joe Dumars was a Finals MVP, 6-time all star, 4 time all NBA Defensive team, 1st recipient of the NBA Sportsmanship award and according to Michael Jordan, the toughest defender he's EVER faced. End of story!

    DarinMaze 7 pts

    Reggie Miller never quit on team during a playoff game and then come close to blows with his coach in the same game so that in itself makes him better then Dwayne Wade

    ClaudeCalixte 6 pts

     DarinMaze When did Dwyane Wade ever quit in a playoff game? We're talking about a guy who had his knee drained during a playoff series and still was able put up huge numbers.  A guy that his knee required surgery after the playoffs.  Please tell me when he ever quit.  I am waiting.

    DaBrick 5 pts

    Reggie Miller gets so ridiculously overrated that people feel like they have to apologize for saying he wasn't as good as he is made out to be.  I watched Reggie play for his entire career.  Very good shooting guard.  Came up with some legendary moments in the clutch, which is where his reputation was really earned.  But he in no way, shape, or form was remotely a Top5 best of all time type player.  He did one thing really well, and that's shoot.  You could say he also excelled at flopping.  But otherwise?  What did he do?  How much separation was there really between him and a guy like Rip Hamilton, who's nobody's #3 all time?  In his own era he was not as good as Jordan, Drexler, Dumars (who could play PG and defend) or Richmond (who did everything).  And people at the time knew it.  He wasn't a perennal All Star guy.  Was never an MVP candidate or even in the race.  He was really good, but this cultish Reggie as all time great thing has got to stop.

    Maryrose Clemente 6 pts

    Manu is not comparable with Reggie. Manu has got 3 rings, Reggie - nada. Manu is great inside; Reggie's strength was as far away from the ring as possible where almost nobody could touch him. Manu is terrific; the Spurs wouldn't have won 3 more championhips without him. I couldn't understand why Reggie is in the NBA Hall of Fame discussion. He may have provided a little bit of excitement, but, to me, not comparable with the great ones.

    Maryrose Clemente 6 pts

    Miller is over-rated; he should be cited ONLY for some clutch moments toward the last years of his career when most of his more banged-up (because they are better) contemporaries are mostly retired . He is very lucky to be in the Hall of Fame discussion.

    Sam6 5 pts

    It's called the Basketball Hall of Fame for a reason, not the NBA Hall of Fame. Factors outside of the NBA career of these players are taken into account during the selection process. If Arvydas Sabonis gets in for what he did before he got to the NBA then Manu Ginobili gets in.

     

    Basketball-Reference.com did a long blog series for on-the-bubble HoF guys, here's a link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?cat=15

    Alex10 5 pts

    The one and only thing that Reggie Miller was better than average at was long-range shooting, and he needed 2 or 3 teammates to set screens to get open to do so. He could not create, had no moves, and for a 6'7" guy was garbage inside. His lack of passing, rebounding, and defense AT ALL really make him a flawed player. To put him in the conversation with some of the other guys on this post is insulting.

    dtwin 6 pts

    Oh, and just for kicks and grins - Match Jerry West's career numbers up with Kobe's. A CLEAR win for West, except for the rings. But when you realize that West's teams went to the finals 9 times and met up with He-Who-Would-Not-Lose (Bill Russell) SIX TIMES (!!!) and lost to the Knicks twice (and beat them once) and take a peak at West's playoff stats, you might find the Great God Kobe dropping to number 3 on the list. Just sayin'. Horror of horrors for today's fans who might not remember just how tough a matchup Jerry West was. Yes, Jerry was sort of a point guard, but in his day, he was more of a shooting guard who had the ball a lot. They ran a lot of offense through the post back then and Centers like Wilt got more assists that centers today.

    dtwin 6 pts

    Reggie Miller – 18.20 points per game. If we rank shooting guards by points per game and solely on that basis, Reggie ranks pretty far down the list. Jordan, West, Iverson, Kobe, Wade, Gervin, Maravich, Carter, Richmond, Havlicek, Drexler, Bing, Free, Hudson, Allen, McGrady, Redd, Davis, Monroe, Goodrich, Dandridge, Rice, Sprewell. That’s 23 with higher scoring averages. Now in all conscience, I can’t put a chucker like Free ahead of Reggie, but a case can be made for most of those guys. Certainly 15 of them, even if you drop Walter Davis and such. When you factor in Reggie’s near total lack of contributions at the defensive end, or in rebounding or passing, it is difficult to even think of him as top twenty. By the way, Rick Barry was WAY better than Reggie, but Barry was a forward, so I don't have him on my list. Dumars was a perfect example of a far better all around player than Reggie, but he didn't have the flamboyant style of Reggie. Ask any Piston player from that era if they would trade Dumars for Reggie. You won't get any takers. Zero. Even the worst GM in NBA history, Isaiah wouldn't make that trade.

    GregoryBreskin 7 pts

    1.  Jerry West was a point guard, not shooting guard.

    2.  Agree that Rick Barry was likely better, along with MJ, Kobe and DWade.

    3. I watched this guy his whole career and have been watching the NBA since the late 1960's - so saw almost all of these in their primes.  I would take Reggie over every other guy.  He played as a reliable teammate (never a black hole with the ball like Iverson), stayed healthy and shot better than every other guy (maybe put Ray Allen here too).  Hard to compare to Dumars as they were opposite players and Reggie never played with anyone close to Isaiah, but there was nothing scarier at the end of a game than Reggie with an open shot from anywhere.

    dtwin 6 pts

    As a disgruntled Knick fan, I am somewhat biased about Miller, but when he wasn't tossing my players down to receive a pass, throwing his leg up in the air to draw a phantom foul, making a choke sign, he was a good but far from great shooter, a top ten free throw shooter, a USELESS defender, a USELESS passer, a USELESS rebounder, and as others have pointed out, didn't get his team anywhere in the playoffs with the exception of occasionally beating my Knicks. How anyone other than a Pacer fan, former teammate, or possibly his sister, would put Reggie in the top twenty shooting guards is hard to fathom. Longevity plays a part here I suppose, but really, if I was drafting a team of all time shooting guards based on a five year stretch, I would run out of fingers and toes, my son's fingers and toes and I would be well into my daughter's fingers and toes before I reached Miller's spot on the team. Yeah, I know, disgruntled Knicks fan, but really? Reggie Miller? Before Earl Monroe? Writer must be too young. Should stick to watching current players and write about them.

    DanBurt 6 pts

    Reggie Miller is the reason I stopped watching NBA games, not because he was bad but because he was too good. I once caught the last 8 seconds of a game with the Pacers down by 11 - and they won, with Reggie scoring all their points. I then decided that the first 2 hours of an NBA game experience were a huge waste of time. That tells you how good he was when it counted.

    D-Mon 5 pts

    Was never a fan of this crackhead looking cat.  Had a good shot yes but the dude burned his house down with a crack pipe didn't he

    jerry.chyo 5 pts

    I usually agree with much of what the author has to say, but his list of considerations is way off.  I'll give him Jerry West and maybe Rick Barry.  I loved Gervin but he's not in the conversation.  Iverson?  get real.  Vince Carter?  That's laughable.  Some might have Wade rated higher but not me.  His rating is based on championships, but he had huge help winning his two.  Miller never had that kind of help.  Ray Allen is the same player, but not as clutch.  Older players (Greer, Sharman, Bing) tough to compare.  Different era (and I was around then too).  Reggie Miller was one of the best to play and a stone cold assassin.  Maybe he's not #3, but he's top 5-6.  Easy.

    Jam 6 pts

    Everybody listed in this article is or was one of the greatest of all time. Simple!

    Nathan2 6 pts

    Mitch Richmond better career than McGrady, Carter, Ginobili at least 

    TommyRoss 6 pts

    Is this writer retarded, He didn't say he was number three all time, Mark Jackson said just as good. What separates players on the same level is media given awards for example MVP and championships. Mark Jackson isn't wrong to say what he said.

    bramps51 5 pts

     TommyRoss Thank you!...I was wondering if anyone actually read the quote. Mark never said that he was the third best two guard of all time. He said that he is AS good as anyone else outside of Jordan and Kobe.  I saw a similar article on NBA.com and became very irritated. 

    JohnJohnston 6 pts

     bramps51  TommyRoss 

     

    "Is this writer retarded, He didn't say he was number three all time, Mark Jackson said just as good."

     

    I see you're not too familiar with the concept of "logic" so let me explain:

    1) If Jordan and Kobe are #1 and 2, then whoever's left has to include #3.

    2) If Reggie is "as good as" anybody outside the top 2, then he's "as good as" whoever's ranked #3.

    3)If he's "as good as" #3, then technically he is #3, or tied for it.

     

    And as other people have pointed out, there's a lot of other two-guards who were better all-around players with better stats who actually won something in their careers so even if you take Jackson's comment literally it's still wrong. He's just kissing his old friend's ass.

     

     

     

    영호 5 pts

    Give me a break.  As much as I think Miller was a very good player, all or almost all of the above-mentioned players should be considered better than Miller.  George Gervin should be considered close to Miller's level?  Are you joking me?  He was the smoothest scorer of all time.  Make some sense.  

    Jason Eddy 5 pts

    Sorry, the third best shooting guard of all time has to at least also be better than his older sister. He's a hall of famer without a doubt, and he is one of the most unique players of all time. Always enjoyable to watch, except when he was ripping your heart out, of course.

    P0is0nedKoolA1 10 pts

    Reggie Miller lived off the shine of the New York Knicks rivalry and that's it!  His best scoring year came with the most turnovers. His defense was mediocre as his career high in steals was 1.5 and as 6'7 guard he never avg more than 4 rebounds!!! Reggie Miller had some  big shots against the Knicks and Bulls, but still came up empty during the close out games EVERY TIME! Finally, Miller never got his team to the finals, it was a team effort and JALEN ROSE outplayed Miller in the finals!!! Nuff said. Total joke he's in there

    tjp101 5 pts

    Oscar Robertson, or was he a point guard?

    TommyRoss 6 pts

     tjp101 if you have to ask you shouldn't be on this thread

    tjp101 5 pts

     TommyRoss thread is open, dude, means anyone can be on it if they please, no need to be rude...

    gunnerphi 5 pts

     TommyRoss  tjp101 The O played several positions, he can't be confined to pg

    adebiais 5 pts

    Did Havlicek play too much sf to be considered here?