SI.com college football writer Stewart Mandel shares his commentary, analysis and random tidbits on the latest developments around the country.
9/12/2007 02:43:00 PM
Rutgers Students Embarrass School
Rutgers fans weren't too accommodating to visiting Navy last Saturday.
One of college football's biggest feel-good stories of the past two years took a sour twist last week. While Greg Schiano's Scarlet Knights continue to bring unprecedented glory to Rutgers -- which is currently ranked 13th in the country -- a small but tawdry section of fans have given the school a black eye.
On Tuesday, Newark Star Ledger columnist Mark Di Ionnowrote about his unpleasant experience attending last Friday night's Knights-Navy game, in which the Rutgers student section showered their opponent with a creative array of profanities. To Navy QB Reggie Campbell, as he limped off the field following a hard hit: "You got f---ed up! You got f---ed up!" To the Navy cheering section, as the game started to get out of hand in the second half: "F--- you, Navy. F--- you, Navy."
Obviously, the actual chants did not include the dashes.
"This is how you treat people who may die for this country?" Annapolis graduate and West Orange, N.J., native Bill Squires, a spectator on the sideline that night, told Di Ionno. "It was the most classless thing I've seen. … "At one point, I thought, 'We defend this country for people like this?' I wasn't embarrassed as a New Jerseyan. I was embarrassed as a human being."
As reflected by that quote, Di Ionno, a Rutgers grad and Navy veteran, seemed particularly perturbed that the students would say such things to members of a service academy -- young men who, when their football careers are over, will go on to serve their country. It's hard to disagree with that sentiment. To me, however, it doesn't particularly matter whether the Knights were facing Navy or Norfolk State (Rutgers' opponent this weekend) -- there's no place for that kind of behavior in college football, period.
Which is why the only thing more disturbing than the scene described in Di Ionno's column (which also included the general crowd booing Navy when it took the field) were the ensuing comments on Di Ionno's blog by a select group of knuckleheads defending the students' behavior (scroll to the bottom). Among their arguments: "It's just a football game" and the author was making too much of the issue; that the author was using 9/11 (the date the column was published) to "prop up his argument;" and, of course, the obligatory, "They're just a bunch of drunk college kids, what else would you expect?"
Umm … no.
I don't care that the students involved were a small minority of the overall crowd -- they still represented (embarrassingly) their school. The 9/11 reference is completely irrelevant (other than it makes the chants look that much more stupid). And I was a drunk college kid myself once; alcohol doesn't give you free license to act like a moron.
Rutgers' administrators know this. That's why, upon hearing about the unseemly chants, school president Richard L. McCormick wrote a letter of apology to Navy Vice Admiral Jeffrey L. Fowler, and athletic director Robert Mulchay penned an open letter to Rutgers students calling their behavior "undignified, disrespectful, and unacceptable."
This is just a guess on my part, but the root of the problem is probably this. It's no secret Rutgers is relatively new to this whole big-time college football thing. My guess is a lot of these kids grew up going to nearby Eagles, Jets or Giants games, where booing and obscenity is par for the course. That's not cool in college football, however, where the participants are not multimillion-dollar professionals. As Rutgers coach Greg Schiano said Tuesday, "People pay a lot of money to go to those [NFL] games and [the players] are getting paid a lot of money, so that's their business. … There's no right to boo college kids. They want to boo me, they pay me a lot of money, they can boo me all they want. Don't boo the kids."
This is obviously an exciting and historic time for Rutgers' program and its university. The atmosphere I witnessed at last year's Louisville game was one of the most electric I've experienced anywhere. To the profane students described in Di Ionno's article -- don't go ruining that experience for others. Your school -- not to mention Navy -- deserves better.
Unfortunately, portions of the original article make things seem worse then they actually were (As hard as it seems to believe). I was at the game, my seats are 2 rows right above the tunnel where the players come in and out. There was no general booing of the Midshipmen when they entered or exited the field. Instead all I heard and saw was applause, from both the alumni, fans and the temporary student bleachers that accomodate 2,000 students. I even made a comment to my buddies that you can't root against a service academy, only root for their opponent (My Alma Mater in this case) It is despicable that a few students in the student section made such disparaging comments. If I was sitting there, trust me, I would have made it clear you don't yell obscenities especially to a Service Academy. After the courteous behavior and respect given to us as Rutgers fans by the Midshipmen in Annapolis last year, I was even more so impressed. This is not a Jets game.
Unfortunately, I, as well as a great number of fans at the game were unaware such comments were made. I sent the original article to a number of friends at the game who were seated throughout the stadium and no one had any such recollection. I am more than positive, that fans near these students told them to cut it out if this was their behavior. Unfortunately, nowhere in Mr. Di Ionno's column does it indicate that he tried to do the right thing, tell these kids to straighten up and show some respect. Sad, he had the opportunity to do the right thing and apparently neglected to do it. If he had done this and the vulgarities persisted, I could see some reason to his very angry response posted today. It's too bad he didn't bring this to people's attention before deciding to make it a column.
This instance casting a black eye on all of Rutgers would be like me hating every WVU fan for the drunken comments of 10-12 fans last year. Most of the fans I met while there, even though dressed in fatigues which seemed weird to me, were superbly nice and I can not say a bad thing about them. I will not let those 10-12 cloud my judgement, as I hope the rest of the nation does not allow the small section of students that caused this uproar to be what they use to frame their image of Rutgers.
Athletic Director Mulchahy and President McCormick did the right thing in apologizing to Navy and asking for better of our students/fans in today's student newspaper. It's just unfortunate that they had to do this.
I, too was at the game on Friday night. I was sitting in the upper deck above the tunnel. When my dad and I heard all the hoopla come out today about the fans being vulgar, we were surprised. I can't say the fan's behavior jumped out to me as blatantly out of line. That being said, I was on the opposite end of the primary student section, which could explain why I didn't hear it. If it is as bad as the writer is saying, that is an absolute disgrace. I've been a season ticket holder for about 7 years and watched year after year the Knights get beat down by the likes of Villanova. I understand this success is new to RU fans,but, yelling profanities to the players of one of our country's military acadamies is an embarassment. As someone who has stuck with this team during the abysmal years, I'm sure I speak for everyone in the same boat: All you pathetic fans that don't know how to appreciate a little success and enjoy it for what it is, stay the hell home. We didn't want you there when we stunk, and we don't want you there now.
Excellent article, Stewart. I had the same immediate thought as the gentleman who earlier posted: "Maybe Rutgers wants to blame this on Don Imus?" Somehow I doubt that the (few) offending students will be dismissed from school, or forced to face unending media coverage. I'm certainly not supporting Mr. Imus' miscues, but I don't recall hearing any profanity in his remarks. I would think that of ALL people in the collegiate world, students from Rutgers would have a clue! And when considering the utter nonsense that the Duke lacrosse team endured, I find it hard to understand the inequities. Apparently being held responsible for one's actions only begins when one is a high profile individual or whose actions involve "racial issues"...
I've been going to Rutgers football games for 6 years (since I was a student there). Yes, even to games during the seasons where we only won a couple games. I've been appalled with the changes I've seen over the past year or so. I went to a game with my father last year, and even on the buses that transport you from the campus to the stadium, drunk students were being obscene and were embarrassing the school.
I think it's definitely true that the students now don't know that we ("we" as part of the school) are not that far removed from some very bad football teams, and don't know how to handle having a good football team.
Even more amazing is that even though the students clearly can't act like they've been in the situation before, the actual football team plays with an incredible amount of class and dignity.
Hopefully the administration will remove these students from the stadium if it happens in the future, because it's a shame that what might turn into another wonderful season be tarnished by a bunch of ignorant kids.
Oh, and to matt, who mentions the Jersey kids in Morgantown: you are full of it. What, are you claiming it was Jersey kids who set fire to couches? Please.
Stuart open your eyes. This type of behavior has been going on for decades at the University of Utah and the University of Wyoming and the University of Arizona. As long as administrators tacitly condone such behavior it will continue. There must be consequences or it will continue. Sad to say but most college students havent' grown up.
This is just typical of Rutgers and the State of New Jersey. They have a complex about where they stand in society. They, NJ, will always be second class next to NY. The football team will also always be second rate. Yes good season last year, but what bowl did you go to again? Make a BCS game before you think your S_ _ t don't stink. Wasn't it only a couple of years ago that Rutgers football team stomped on the "N" in the center of the field at Navy? RUTGERS YOU ARE A CLASSLESS PROGRAM, SCHOOL and STATE.
As a Navy reservist, I appreciate Stewart Mandel's column and agree with him 100%. That kind of filth belongs nowhere in college football or any sport and especially not when its targets are young men who will soon put themselves in harm's way for our freedoms.
Those students should be disciplined and, in the future, forbidden from attending any athletic event if they can't show more self-control.
And no, the 9/11 argument holds no water whatsoever. Even if it were true, it still would not excuse the bad behavior and foolishness of those students. Navy's football program might not be on par with the rest of college football's elite, but our servicemen and women deserve better so let's give them better.
If the students won't show pride in their school and police themselves, then the administration needs to step in and do it for them. One person chanting, doesn't last very long. If the students and the administration do nothing about it, then it shows how little class both the student body and faculty have.
Navy students are not soldiers. They are Midshipmen and if they graduate over 98% of them will be Sailors or Marines. Whether they have heard the word f__k or not, they will be "ambassadors" throughout their careers as they represent the US throughout the word wearing the uniform. They, like everyone else in the world, deserve to be treated better.
As a Rutgers student, I stood appalled with the garbage some of my fellow students chanted towards Navy. I was even told by someone, in defense of the BS, that "you don't fight terrorism on a football field, so chill the f--- out".
BTW, mlmack, a complex? The majority of us don't give a damn about New York. New Yorkers, meaning people from New York City, though, are so insecure about their particular place in the world that they denigrate New Jersey at every possible opportunity.
What the students chanted towards the Navy band was totally unacceptable and for that I offer no excuse (students, alcohol, etc). There is no excuse for that behavior. However, I am disappointed that Mark Di Ionno did not tell the whole story. I guess he was looking for his 15 minutes of fame. I was in the secion next to the Navy band and when the smal band of students began their chant, the surrounding sections shouted them down and got them to stop within 10-15 seconds.
All who heard the chant were appalled. I was so embarrassed, that at half-time I went with my 13 year old son and personally apologized to members of the Navy band on behalf of Rutgers fans. We also thanked them for their commitment to serve our nation and told them we were proud of them. They Navy band members we spoke with said this is no different than any other stadium. They also appreciated that we would take the time to come up to them in person and apologize for the poor behavior and thank them for their service.
Mark Di Ionno did not tell the whole story. He should be ashamed of himself as well as the students who behaved so poorly. Rutgers fans are very classy. There were a group of students that needed to be removed but that is no surprise, is it?
The worst thing about most sports? "Fans" like these. Unfortunately, you can find such misbehavior on most any campus on any given Saturday. You take a few people lacking in dignity, decorum and self control, add way too much alcohol, and you get a bunch of wildly obnoxious jerks heaping scorn on the opposing team and fans, and generally ruining the experience for everyone around them. Shame on these few Rutgers fans and those like them everywhere. Kudos to the good people in the Rutgers community who speak out for what's right. And props to Navy and the service acadamies in general.
yeah what they did was a disgrace, but I have traveled the SEC to many away games and believe me, every single school has those kids. At LSU for instance, a group of drunk obnoxious men threw raw meat at us as we passed by on the way to the stadium, a friend of mine was hit in the head with a beer bottle, and a couple of years earlier a friend of mine had his auburn hat thrown over the top of the stadium. What Rutgers did to the navy is sad, but its not even close to going on the road with all the drunk rednecks of the south, its not just a rutgers problem, its a problem with the institutions not taking care of their own and allowing this trash to happen
You would think that, given the enormous embarrassment that is Don Imus speaking about Rutgers student-athletes, that Rutgers' students would have a bit more class than that displayed during the Navy game or in response to criticism thereafter.
mlmack you are a complete idiot. I've lived in New Jersey all 29 years of my life and you obviously are a clueless person with zero social intelligence or absolutely no sports knowledge/experience. Any stadium in the country has the same garbage going on. I was there and it was disgraceful. But to try in clone some kind of superiority complex against NJ via computer shows how gutless you really are. Thankfully I've been to NYC a million times or I may think all NYC residents were as weak as you. Also, bob, don't parallel this incident to the Imus situation. What Imus said was RACIST. The things the Rutgers fans said was just senseless. Imus has absoultely no relation to Rutgers University. So, please, stop reaching to hop on your soap box.
you people are just a little too self-righteous. Get over it. The students' behavior is classless, but so what? Reporters, football players, and sports fans do not uniformly show a lot of class. We go to sporting events as entertainment, and short of actually hurting someone, we have the right to be entertained. Clearly, we do not care about hurting pride, or we would never let teams run up scores in the neighborhood of 56-3. We don't mind humiliating people on the field, just try not to hurt their feelings? Self-righteous.
The immeasurable vast majority of Navy students are men and women of integrity and character. They don't deserve to be taunted by spoiled brats who will probably never lift one finger to serve or defend their country. The apology from school administrators is a bit hollow. The offending students themselves should come forward, admit their wrong and apologize. This is obviosly not likely to happen. At the very least, the Rutgers student government ought to issue a statement of aploogy. I wonder if these students would be so brazen if they weren't protected in the stands. They're probably cowards too.
I have been coaching for 39 years, from little league to NCAA Div II and have, unfortunately, seen too many incidents like this. Fans and players can be punished, but that will not correct this behavior, only proper parenting can keep this behavior from cropping up in children/young adults. The kids are to blame and their acts show a complete lack of class. This kind of behavior, if taken into the business world, will find them rapidly falling behind their wiser contemporaries.
PS: I am proud to have served 32 years in the US Military and shed blood in Desert Storm, Iraq and Afghanistan. Our Constitution gives each individual the right to be an utter and complete idiot and I have defended that right. However, that does not mean people have to exercise that right!
As a Rutgers alumni, I have been embarressed by the negative chants. I live in the Atlanta now and I am exposed to the extreme fan bases of the SEC and ACC. I think that the current student body doesn't yet understand the basic rules of being a big time college football fan. Simple rules for Rutgers fans: Always wear Red to the game. Cheer like hell when the opponent's offense is out of the huddle. Don't make a peep when your offense is out of the huddle. Cheer when any injured player is taken off the field. Don't leave the game until it is over. Go to every game, win or lose. Be courtious to the oppposing teams fans and team. Paint at least one room or wall in your house Scarlet.
If you want to bash the Rutgers students thats fine by me, but don't blame NJ for them. Most natives of NJ are proud and show class too Matt, & for those of you who wrote things like "Stay classy Jersey" or other cheap shots at my state, don't try to make it sound like a bunch of a--holes from Rutgers represent all of us. Unless you've actually been to parts of NJ other than Atlantic City or the Newark area (which I'm sure you NJ bashers haven't), you have absolutely no idea what my state is like so don't act like you do. How does bashing NJ make you any better than the Rutgers students?
Personally that is not uncommon. At UConn football games as well as other sports games they use the same cheers. The F--- you chant is common. Soccer games are even worse. the students sit behind the opposing goalie and yell really bad profanity at him. Personally I think it happens at a lot of colleges nowadays, it is the culture of the present youth. You can be a classy person and still get into it at a game.
Ok having read through all the blogs I see that Rutgers and UConn are not alone, I saw West Virginia, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan and the SEC in general was implicated so I can safely assume that Rutgers is not terminally unique to the rest of the country. To put all the blame on Rutgers students is lame. All schools have those kids, ALL SCHOOLS.
I hate to stereo type, but let's be honest, New Jersey natives are the most disgusting people in America. Anyone ever see the MTV reality show's that follow around Jersey kid's with titles like summer at the Jersey shore? If you have ever had this misfortune I guarantee after 5 minutes you too will hate everyone and everything that is Jersey. I have never been to the Rutgers campus but I am sure it is not far from the ninth gate of hell. I can just imagine flocks of "Jersey Guy" roaming through campus with their 14k gold chains and baggy jeans accomponied by requisite G unit wife beater yelling profanity's at every female they encounter. My guess is they also sell steroids in the cafeteria as this seems to be "Jersey Guy's" favorite past time. Every person I have ever met from Jersey sucks at life, so let's not be surprised that New Jersey U aka Rutgers is a disgusting cess pool of trash.
Sorry Stuart, but that kind of disrespectful behavior is not OK even for the pros. Paying money does not justify rude and disrespectful behavior and being payed money, no matter how much, does not mean that it is something you should have to accept.
I do agree with one point, the behavior of a small group of people does come to represent the larger whole. This kind of behavior by a minority of students is an issue at all college campuses. However, the bottom line is that, if this truly was behavior by a minority of students, the MAJORITY of students around them elected to have that behavior represent them by not stopping it. It could and should have been stopped by those around them (peacefully). Anytime we allow that type of thing to go on by our lack of caring or action, we become, at least partially, responsible for it by that lack of action.
Add me to the list of people who were at the game and didn't hear any of this. I sit in sec 129 near where the players come out and heard nothing but applause for the Midshipman. I think this is being blown out of porportion due to the 9/11 anniversary
My daughter is a Rutgers student and attended the Navy game. She was appalled by the actions of a small number of her fellow students and left before halftime. She has no intention of attending anymore games this season. Good parenting does work. To mlmack 20. Try living At the Jersey Shore as I have for my whole life, then tell me how " classy" New Yorkers are.
Socal I find that completely hard to believe. As a Michigan alum and fan yes while our fans may get rowdy there has never been any type of incidence such as this happen in the Big House. And furthermore I find it even harder to believe that USC fans have felt the heat from Michigan fans at THE ROSE BOWL meaning you practically had HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE and outnumbered our fans 3 to 1.
No wonder your comment only took up one line you bumbling imbesile
I am an officer in the Navy now, but not an academy grad. Rutgers fans made asses of themselves--so what? It always bites me when I hear people disrespect servicemen, but it happens everyday. This is a football game, folks. These are college students. I went to The Citadel, another military school, and when we played at Florida State a few years ago alot of the fans were complete assholes. Most weren't. When you have alcohol and sports, there will be obnoxious profanity. That's part of getting into the game; getting into the heads of the opposition. The athletes on both sides hate it, but its just a reality.
I was at the game and was impressed with the respect shown by the overall stadium attendance to the Navy team before, during and following the game. If Dionnio was so aware and upset by the actions of the renegade students (as any fan should be) he should have shown some courage by confronting them. I'm sure he would have received overwhelming support from the fans around him. Instead he decided to blow his own horn. Over the 35 years that I have attended games at Rutgers, the general sentiment is that NJ fans are very respectful compared to most other universities where I have attended games.
I'm a huge ND fan and I went to the big house wearing a ND tshirt...I was almost murdered. My buddy who goes to UM was very embarassed. Michigan fans are hands down the worst, most disrespectful and violent I've seen (including Ohio State, Michigan State, and Penn State)
To "mlmack20" and "Ethan" I say this -- you both appear to be stereotyping what you imagine New Jerseyans, Rutgers students, and alumni are like. My guess is that neither of you have ever actually been to New Jersey, know anything about it (other than all that experience you garnered watching those reality shows -- and we all know what honest portrayals those can be!), and are really just looking to hide the same poor and disrespectful behavior that you have also exhibited or witnessed your friends and peers exhibiting. I can say that growing up in a small town in New Jersey, I've never had any sort of inferiority complex about New York, Philadelphia, or anywhere else, for that matter. I've never worn a thick gold chain or a wife-beater (I'd consider myself a yuppie, if anything). I now live in Boston and had recently taken my girlfriend to the New Jersey shore (Cape May) for vacation, and she was amazed at how beautiful and unspoiled it was - as were many of the small farming communities that dot the New Jersey landscape. So, you might want to get your facts straight first before publishing your remarks .. or, heck, just get some facts.
In any event, I was at the Rutgers-Navy game, Friday night, and sat in a Navy (visitor's) section -- 201. There was only one instance where I'd witnessed anything distasteful happening: the "F*ck You, Navy" chant -- which was repeated three times in quick succession before being drowned out by the Navy band. That chant was NOT issued at the Navy players but at the Navy band and surrounding fans who began playing while the Rutgers team was in the huddle and heading into formation. This chant was made by 15-20 students -- NOT THE MAJORITY -- in the temporary seating area only. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that anyone, outside of fans seated in the front of the visitor's section could even hear the chant, let alone the author of the Star Ledger article. At no other point during the game, did I hear any other obscenities or undignified jeers that the author of the original article referenced. Quite the opposite. Navy fans were treated with respect when boarding the shuttle buses to and from the game, while at the stadium, and when the team took the field (also, when they exited).
This story has gained way-too-much traction by persons in the media looking to show the school in a bad light. But, I will confess that of course RU has student fans like these -- so does USC, Michigan, LSU, Appalachian State, Eastern Carolina, and Lenoir-Rhyne (Navy,too). Meaning -- everyone. Look in the mirror before making such judgements. Otherwise, you look foolish.
As a Rutgers student, I do apologize on behalf of the other students who used such obscenities in their time at the Navy game. I had the unfortunate experience of sitting next to a rather large group of students who seemed to start a few chants, and I couldn't believe how classless it was. Unfortunately, this is the kind of chant that every visiting team gets when they come to Rutgers. I don't think we can pinpoint a single problem out of it, though. Yes, alcohol was mentioned, and I think that's a valid point to bring up. However, for the students to get drunk before the games and then show that kind of behavior...you have to give them some blame, too. And you can even go as far as to blame the parents of these students for not raising their children to respect people.
However, this situation should not be written up as a way to bash Rutgers fans and their students as a whole. I, like many other students, did not participate in such uncalled for actions, and the alumni treated Navy with nothing but respect. Please don't let a small group of classless fans be seen as the only representatives of Rutgers and its fans. That would just be unfair.
A few years ago Georgia Tech hosted a baseball super regional against Tennessee. One of the cool things about Tech baseball games is that a small group of students will always sit on the right field wall where drinks are always free. The coach of the team, Danny Hall, has been known to visit fraternity houses and give everyone encouragement to yell at the opposing team during games.
On this particular game a nearby fraternity house hooked up a loud speaker for the sole purpose of yelling profanities at UT's right fielder. They must have kept it up for 8 innings....right up until he hit the winning homerun over the right field wall in the 9th.
You are the perfect example of a UM alum. A loser. We laugh at Michigan fans in Socal. You people are just a bad joke that got worse. Do you know what type of battery it takes to shut up a Michigan fan??? 1-AA. Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way to the cellar.
Drunk and mean college students are a problem at all college football games. At Louisville (where the students tend to be more spread out through the stadium, given that it's a city school and locals have had family tickets for years), I am always taken aback by the number of just plain sloshed 20-year-olds who stagger into the stands each game and proceed to get more sloshed as the game goes on. In our stadium, I see two or three near-fights a game, usually centered on some mean-spirited drunk 20-year-old girl stirring up trouble between a couple of hammered frat boys. I drank in college, too, but I didn't get trashed at games -- it's like many of these kids have no idea how to socialize or enjoy themselves if they aren't blitzed.
Well said. I also think Coach Schiano said it well. Boo the coach, boo the ref's, but the players are STUDENT athletes, and in this case, student soldjers. As a Navy BRAT, I hope those young men get cheered no matter what stadium they are playing in.
This is a disgrace to fans as a whole, but to our Service Academies in particular. But, when you get that many drunk students into a confined area, it's bound to happen. Raising our kids to respect others would prevent much of this, but there's nothing new in that statement. How 'bout let's try something new for a change! Actually go to a game to enjoy the experience and memories...what a novel idea!!
Did these chants in fact happen? Yes. Was it as bad as Mark Di Ionno portrayed it? Hardly. We sit on the second row of the upper deck and the only one we heard was the F U Navy chant, and the immediate booing by the rest of the crowd to drown them out. Oh, did Mark forget to mention that? Yes, once the rest of the fans heard that chant, they drowned out that pathetic minority with their own sounds of disgust at this behavior.
I will not make excuses for this behavior - it was despicable and should not be tolerated. However, Mark in his column focuses on these one or two negative acts and completely ignored all of the positive actions going on, such as the cheering in the stadium for the cadets, the RU families sharing their tailgates with Navy families, the many RU fans stopping Navy cadets and thanking them for their service, etc.
Stewart, I wish you would investigate the other aspects of Navy's visit to RU and provide a more balanced column instead of focusing on this one particular segment.
To those of you trashing the State of New Jersey or Rutgers University:
You have obviously never LIVED or EVEN BEEN TO NJ or Rutgers University or I do believe, ANY UNIVERSITY for that matter.
I served proudly in the US Marine Corps for 8 years, have lived in NJ my entire life and am a Rutgers grad.
While a few roudy fans and their obnoxious behavior is uncalled for at any college sports event, it happens ALL THE TIME, EVERYWHERE.
Yes, I said EVERYWHERE. Including West Virginia (Matt), New York (mlmack20) and EVERYWHERE ELSE.
It is NOT representative of the University, the state or it's natives nor can it or should it be construed as such.
By the way, mlmack20, I hate to break the news to you buddy, but the NY Giants and the NY Jets actually play, guess where? That's right pal.
And to even begin comparing NJ natives with NY natives is truly mind boggling to me.
I commute to and work in NYC and let me assure you that, every single day, all I look forward to is the moment when I get to leave this "cesspool" and go home again.
To Ethan: Grow up my friend. Seriously. You have obviously never been outside places like Newark or Camden. And why you would exclusively visit these places tells me a lot about who you are. But New Jersey is a beautiful state. Long CLEAN shores, lush green parks and mountains, rivers, lakes, farmland... I can go on and on... So read up, or better yet, take a visit to the REAL state of NJ, the beautiful, clean, safe and huge Rutgers University campus and only then, make a sound judgement.
To sum it up, we cannot let the actions of a small few ruin the great strides and progress of these student athletes, the coaches and the athletics program of this school.
To those of you who predict a "short run of glory", while we wouldn't like to see that happen, no one can predict the future. And so, let us enjoy and take pride in the "right now", because while we hope it DOES last ...
Ethan, what you say about NJ says more about you than about the great state of NJ. Please keep posting, as it again proves to me why I live in this great state.. to avoid ignorant people like you who live outside the most educated state in the country.. New Jersey.
It's not just schools new to the "big time", but this just seems to be a general thing these days in College football, too.
I'm a Penn State alum, current Penn State faculty member, and Penn State season ticket holder. PSU fans have always prided ourselves on our class, but I have to say I'm starting to consider giving up my tickets, even though there is nothing I love more than attending a big Penn State game.
All game long, all I hear is our "fans" cursing and shouting at the QB (whether it is Zack Mills or Anthony Morelli, and all the way back to Kerry Collins, who I remember giving a quote to the student newspaper about how much it hurt to have his classmates boo him). The worst thing I ever experienced at a PSU game was listening to one guy sitting near me cheer when Zack Mills got hurt, because it meant Joe would be forced to put in Michael Robinson.
Herbstreit has said on TV that PSU has the best student section in the country, and biased as I am, in many ways I think he is right. However, they were chanting F--- you Irish and giving the finger to the ND band last week, and while I honestly don't get all that upset at hearing the f-bomb, I do wish that our fans would have more class.
Oh Please, LIGHTEN UP A LITTLE!!! This was just a football game and some drunk idiots saying stupid stuff. To the idiot calling Rutgers a classless program, you are probably jealous because RU is becoming a football powerhouse. Maybe you are even a fan of Michigan or Notre Dame.
I was at the game on Friday seating less than 10 feet from the student section and they were not as bad as the article says. Am sure Rutgers players get verbally abused when they play at NAVY.
THE NAVY FOOTBALL TEAM ISN'T THE SAME THING AS THE ACTUAL NAVY.
The rutgers fans were showing disrespect to the Navy football team, not the navy. Why is the guy who wrote the article taking it so personally. The student section at any home football game has the right to ruthlessly heckle any opponent by any verbal means necessary(short of racial or sterotype-abuse).
So what if they chanted F--- Navy. Just because they are in the military you can't heckle their sports teams? What is this? Just because their school is an arm of our government doesn't make them infallible. They wanted to have a team, let them have all of distractions that come with playing big-time college football.
Not to mention that none of the Navy players have actually graduated yet so they still aren't actually in the part of the NAVY that goes all over sinking ships and what not.
F--- Navy, there I said it. Do I hate the Navy now? Am I any less of an American? NO. How does ou
Rutgers fans aren't alone in being crass. As a BYU fan the last two years I have travelled to Arizona and UCLA games. Both times me and my 5 now 6 year old son were treated to student section chants of "F--- You BYU". I'm not talking about one or two students either. It was 100+ each time in a coordinated chant. It's sad. I hope students can learn to use class.
Say what you want about Notre Dame's football team, those are a bunch of classy fans. Polite, courteous and a great place to be a visiting fan.
To Erwin: Sorry - I take back the gasbag comment. I agree with everything you said other than the part where you say it happens everywhere. I've been to a dozen or so SEC games, more than a few Big-10 games, a couple of Big-12 and countless Pac-10 and WAC games. I can say without a doubt that this kind of moronic behavior does not happen everywhere, at least in my 20-year CFB experience.
Having to hear those comments must have been bad enough. But having to listen to that disgusting Jersey accent must have been painful. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Classy group of kids. Great job Jersey.
This happens at every school......and it's a lot worse then this. Most college football schools have this type of behavior. Maybe the NCAA and every college football school should take action. Don't single out Rutgers and NJ for a few fans. The Star Ledger Columnist is just trying to use this small thing to get his name known. Good luck with your future job at ESPN.
Shane said: "Having to hear those comments must have been bad enough. But having to listen to that disgusting Jersey accent must have been painful. It's like nails on a chalkboard. Classy group of kids. Great job Jersey."
Wow, do you even know what you're talking about? Obviously not. As a transplant many years ago to NJ from Texas, I have never encountered this "accent" that is parodied or ridiculed by so many. In fact, I find New Jersey residents to be quite well spoken and understandable as compared to other areas of the country. But please keep posting your comments so as to bolster others' perception of your ignorance and stupidity.
I was in attendence at the game this past Friday evening, and not only as I in attendence but I am a current student there as well. It was evident to me that this kind of behavior was only a select few students and there is no denying that it was said cause I heard it loud and clear from the student section. Unfortunately a few students decided that this was appropriate behavior when in fact in any atmosphere, pro or collegiate it is far from the truth. The booing is acceptable as that is a natural part of the game and is done all across the country. The fact that Navy was booed is what I find to be acceptable, as they are our opponent on the field and that is what is considered during the game time events, not what they do off the field. As a student I would never no matter who it maybe from Navy to Norfolk State chant those vulgar words to college kids playing a game. It is unprofessional, disrespectful and absurd to do such things. It is great the success we are having, but we should act like we belong, not like someone who has no class. This university is full of class, its unfortunate a handful of students had to go and tarnish that reputation. As a Scarlet Knight fan and current student, I would like to apologize on behalf of my fellow students to the Navy team, academy and all those who were offended by the actions. It was down right embarassing and demonstrated a clear lack of sportsmanship. This hopefully will never happen again.
Anyone on this blog making generalizations about people from New Jersey or people from Rutgers is as unintelligent and classless as the SMALL GROUP of students that embarrassed a great university.
I too was at the game. I sat in the young alumni section, in the upper tier above the tunnel and adjacent to the student bleachers.
Unfortunately, I could hear the chants. But not as loud as the other fans booing the students for their behavior. At the time of the chanting, most of the people in my section (229)were talking about how inappropriate that behavior is, and how fans should always respect the service academy teams. Also, the people in my section stood and applauded the Navy team entering and exiting the field, and stood and showed respect during Navy's alma mater, as it should be.
No one should be making excuses for the poor behavior of those students. But I will absolutely defend the majority of us respectable fans who were there and behaved appropriately.
All of you who choose to direct your outrage at an entire school or even an entire state are being ignorant and should be embarrassed of yourselves. It is so easy to throw stones. Think for a second- whatever team YOU root for, aren't there some classless loser fans you would not want to be associated with? Whatever state YOU live in, whatever music groups you like or whatever other group you are associated with- it's all the same. In every group there are some classy people and some idiots. Which type are you?
By your posts, I can make a pretty good guess.
Sorry, Navy. You are a great team and deserved better treatment than that.
I am a Rutgers student. I have never been to a Rutgers game, or any college game, for that matter. However, I am obviously a sports fan and am excited about this team. By writing this article, however, completely clueless to the fact that a large amount of big football schools do stuff like this, I have to thank the writer for trashing all Rutgers students. And writing midway through the article that "this is a small number of RU students" doesn't cut it, because the headline is "Rutgers Students Embarrass School". It's articles like this that will give our school a bad name for years to come. Thanks for that.