SI.com college football writer Stewart Mandel shares his commentary, analysis and random tidbits on the latest developments around the country.
11/08/2007 02:47:00 AM
Dreaming of a Pasadena 'Replay'
In last season's Oregon-Oklahoma game, the officiating crew botched a call on an onside kick and cost the Sooners the game.
Looking at the current landscape, there are no shortage of potentially intriguing BCS matchups. Ohio State vs. LSU in another Big Ten-SEC national title showdown? Les Miles’ Tigers partaking in their own Pac-10 “knock down drag out” with Oregon? How about a Tim Tebow-Colt Brennan Sugar Bowl duel? Or maybe a surreal but entirely feasible Fiesta Bowl matching longtime juggernaut USC against overnight sensation Kansas.
All, however, pale in comparison to one particular grudge match I know I’d like to see -- as would the residents of at least two states, if not the entire country. It’s a bowl matchup so intriguing that, provided both teams are eligible, I would personally volunteer to step in and broker some sort of old-school, pre-BCS backroom deal to make sure it happens.
I’m talking about Oklahoma vs. Oregon.
On Sept. 16, 2006, the Sooners and Ducks became unwitting participants in one of the most controversial moments in recent history. Nearly 15 months later, the mere mention of the word “Oregon” still sends smoke rising from the ears of any devoted Oklahoma fan. Mention the game to any Ducks fan (as I did a few times in person last weekend), and he’ll immediately start fuming at the mere thought of all those fuming Sooners fans.
Clearly, these teams need to meet again. I see three scenarios under which it could happen.
Scenario 1: Oregon and Oklahoma both reach the BCS title game. This one’s the simplest, albeit seemingly unlikely at this point. Basically, both Ohio State and LSU -- the current No. 1 and 2 teams in the BCS standings -- would need to lose a game, while the third-ranked Ducks and fifth-ranked Sooners (which themselves might have to take care of No. 4 Kansas in the Big 12 championship game) would have to win out.
Scenario 2: Oregon wins the Pac-10 but does not finish No. 1 or 2; Oklahoma loses in the Big 12 title game. The Ducks would automatically go to the Rose Bowl, which, if it loses the Buckeyes to the BCS title game, will have first choice of at-large teams to replace them. Ideally, the folks in Pasadena would prefer another Big Ten team, but the only possibility is current No. 12 Michigan (which would be no lock to finish in the top 14 if it loses to Ohio State). Which sounds more appealing to you: A rematch between 11-1 Oregon and a 9-3 Michigan team it already beat 39-7 -- or a potential rematch between the 11-1 Ducks and 11-2 Sooners?
Scenario 3: Oregon wins the Pac-10, Oklahoma wins the Big 12 -- and the brokering begins. By letter of BCS law, the Ducks and Sooners would be sent to separate games: Oregon to the Rose Bowl, Oklahoma to the Fiesta Bowl. Listed at the very end of the BCS’ official “selection policies and procedures,” however, is a convenient, intentionally vague clause that’s been sitting there for nine years but never previously invoked. It basically says that after all the teams have been selected and slotted, BCS officials can “adjust the pairings…” if, “alternative pairings may have greater or lesser appeal to college football fans.”
Think Oregon-Oklahoma might have “greater appeal” than, say, Missouri-Arizona State?
Mind you, there have been numerous occasions in the past where you would think someone should have invoked this apparent “common-sense override.” Like in 2002, when Iowa and USC met in the Orange Bowl instead of the Rose Bowl. Or a year later, when the Orange Bowl got stuck with a Miami-Florida State rematch. Or in 2004, when undefeated Auburn and undefeated Utah were sent to separate bowls.
The problem in all those cases, however, was that it would have involved one bowl getting a dream matchup while another got dumped on. Despite what the language of that aforementioned clause says, each individual bowl’s interests always come before the general good of college football. In fact, some of the bowls flat-out despise each other; think they’re going to voluntarily lend their buddy a helping hand?
But what if there was a way to give one bowl an Oregon-Oklahoma game while simultaneously boosting another? This is where I’m offering to provide my services as a broker -- specifically, between the Rose and Fiesta bowls.
Should the landscape on Dec. 1 remotely resemble the current pecking order, the Rose Bowl is going to be hurting for appealing options to match up against Oregon. As stated earlier, the Big Ten runner-up would be either ineligible or, in this case, unappealing. And most of the other logical candidates -- Big East champ West Virginia, ACC runner-up Boston College or Virginia Tech -- would be coming from the other side of the country. The Rose could really use Oklahoma.
Meanwhile, the Fiesta Bowl just hosted Oklahoma last season. As you may recall, it was not a pleasant result for Sooners fans. And with hometown school Arizona State looking like the current frontrunner for the other spot (if Oregon goes to the Rose Bowl), the Fiesta could really use a team that would bring in a ton of out-of-town fans. This year, that team could be current Cinderella Kansas.
So here’s what we do. We have the Rose Bowl draft the Jayhawks to replace the Buckeyes, keeping them out of the hands of the Orange or Sugar bowls. Then, we have the Rose “trade” Kansas to the Fiesta Bowl in exchange for Oklahoma.
The Fiesta gets the team it wants; the Rose gets a game we all want to see.
what kind of fan base does kansas have?? would they bring a "ton of fans" as stewart suggests?? would they bring any fans?? who knows?? kansas doesn't exactly have a strong bowl track record to judge from
Git you some of that, BCS! No need for 'brokering'. OU and and the lame ducks would be great, but it's going to be OU beating #4 Kansas, thereby jumping the quackers as they play their bottom-of-the-barrel last 3 games...of course alternating their abjectly disgusting unis for the final stretch. OU and LSU in the final!! BOOOOMERRRRRR!
I know that an Oregon vs OU matchup would be fun to watch, but as a college football fan, I'd love to see the cards shake out just right so that USC played LSU in the Rose Bowl. (I guess somehow USC would need to win the Pac-10, Ohio St. remain undefeated and LSU lose in the SEC Championship)
An OU fan accusing another team of cheating? What's that about the pot calling the kettle black? Maybe the Sooners could focus on keeping their boosters from paying off their players and keeping their players from taking banned substances.
It wasn't just an onside kick(OU recovered)that was reviewed incorrectly. There was a tipped pass that was reviewed that would have nulified a pass interference call on the final drive as well. I was glad to see Oregon lost on a correct review this year.
Don't know if we'll get a chance to see this (admittedly intriguing) matchup. Whether or not they face each other, the U of O will win their bowl game, Oklahoma will not. The Sooners have proven nothing thus far, and I don't see them even winning the "big" 12 this year. Pac-10 will dominate this year's bowl season.
Oklahoma is 0 for 2 the last two meetings w/the mighty Ducks. We won the infamous onside kick, and the Holiday Bowl win was wiped out with Oklahoma's cheating. To say that Oregon cheated is to say that we paid off the officials, not paying off the players as was the case in OK. Bring it on Sooner Nation. We'll run through you like we have everyone else. But with your competition, you'll never make it to the BCS Title Game. Go Buffs!!!
Actually the LSU/USC Match up could happen, LSU loses the SEC champ game and goes as an at Large, aslo means Oregon would jump to 2 and Play OSU, meaning Rose has to at large SC/LSU if SC run table an finishes with 2 loses they would get an at large. Badda bing Badda boom, Miles gets his wish.
Ducks sucks! PAC10 is a joke this year USC got beat by a bunch of scientists at Standford. Oh yes, that was a mighty powerful Big10 Michigan that Oregon defeated. Oregon wouldn't stand a chance against Missouri!
You would think the onside kick was the only thing that happened in this game. Check the entire game and see ALL of the blown plays, including several that went against the Ducks!! WE DON'T CHEAT!!!!! Saying that, the Ducks would win convincingly this year.
With all due respect, the botched call by the officials on the field AND in the replay booth ended up costing Oklahoma a win. If the officials had realized OU actually recovered the ball or Gordon Riese would have realized Oregon clearly touched the ball before 10 yards, the Sooners could have simply taken a knee and left Eugene with a victory.
What if the officials had added 3 minutes to the clock after Reggie Smith returned the ball into Oregon territory. Instead of trying a long FG with seconds remaining, OU could have had Peterson tear through the Ducks into the end zone or set up a chip shot to win the game. Under that scenario, would the Ducks be complaining about the extra time or the fact their defense couldn't stop Peterson?
As a Sooner fan, of course I'm dying to get another FAIR shot at the Ducks. It's fairly obvious that we can beat them when the officiating crew have their heads extricated from their butts and replay officials are able to actually process what happens on a giant TV screen. But I agree with the comments about this being idealistic. Since when does anyone in power in college football care about what would be good for the game? They won't even let teams give actual game balls to players.
Having been a big fan of Oregon for years, I am all for it. I agree that the call was one of the worst I have witnessed in my days of watching college football-well over 35 years. I am with you for one reason. I am tired of "Crybaby Stoops" acting like its the only one who this has happened to and carrying on about it for weks or months. The guy has no class So wether win or lose, maybe this will make him shut-up. One guy in the coaching the ranks that can give him some pointers about having class is Tyrone Willingham of Washington. The guy in my book has the greatest "class" of any current coach in college football facing all of the adversity he has over the recent years. I admire his "class"act and maybe Stoops could learn from him-But I truely doubt it. Rudyrx
I am a rabid, fanatic University of Oklahoma fan. I bear no animosity atoward the Oregon Duck team nor the coaches, just the Pac 10 referees. I am only amazed that the Pac 10 refs are worse than the Big 12 refs. I didn't think that was possible. I'm quite sure all Oklahoma fans are very pro-Oregon when it comes down to Oregon-USC. It would only be a "grudge" match in the eyes of the media. It would be a good game, however.
As a Duck fan, I can't believe some OU fans are still upset about this. I agree it was a terrible call...but in the context of last season it turns out that game had little to no meaning for both teams!
Since neither team turned out to be a serious national championship contender, the non conference schedule meant very little. OU made it to a BCS bowl anyways.
This is why I don't long for a rematch (though I think Oregon would have the upper hand). I just can't take another year of whining should the Ducks win or, heaven forbid, there is a bad call in the game that doesn't go OU's way. Ugh.
The ducks quaterback does make them a threat but once he's gone the sooners would pound the ducks so they better take the matchup now. With both teams as they are now it should be a pretty good match up.
Also, Im not sure about what whining has been going on. Once the sooners received the apology from the pac 10 for the officiating its been pretty quiet. Of course ducks fans assume we are talking about it again because the sooners never stopped whining when in reality its Stew just swatting the beehive again.
Funny that with the exception of duck fan, everyone else in the country knows that the ducks were given that game last year. Truth is though, we're over it, yesterday's news. Enjoy your short little ride duck fan, cuz when Dixon is gone, so are you. You barely even make a blip on the radar screen of national football powerhouses, and have no idea what a National Championship ring looks like, except when worn on someone else's hand. Anyone else ever notice that when someone does beat Oklahoma, it's always the largest feather in their hat? Beating Oregon, no major accomplishment.... beating Oklahoma is front page news.
Bad calls happen all the time. Unfortunately, this one sucked for BOTH teams. I don't believe that Oregon paid the refs or that the replay official purposefully screwed the Sooners, although he did receive death threats for it. And, I don't think you can say that the refs gave Oregon the game. It would be more accurate to say the Refs gave Oregon the ball. Oregon took advantage of it. It sucks for the Sooners that they lost the game, and it sucks for the Ducks that one of the most exciting games I've ever been witness to will always have an asterisk. As for a rematch, I'd love to see these 2 teams play this year. 2 great teams with a helluva lot to play for.
Yes, Oregon might have snuck out of the game last year (which I attended. possibly the best atmostphere ever on the west coast) Terrible call, horrible call, (and paralax) but great teams teams that play in the fiesta bowl and lose to a WAC team) are supposed to WIN despite terrible calls. That's the mark of a good team. If Oklahoma was such a powerhouse last year, they should've beaten Oregon when the country saw that the refs nearly gave them (oregon) the game. And am I the only person that's noticed that the Sooner defense evaporated on that final drive? Another point. Great teams play D when the game is on the line. Go Ducks. Beat Ohio State (Michigan)
Yes the refs screwed up on the onside kick but they also missed a blatant push off on an OU TD etc... Also the Sooners could have played some defense after the onside or even kicked the very makable game-winning field goal at the end. Let it go people. Spend some time with your kids ore something. Wow.
And Glenn Sharpe. If you don't know who he is, and don't know what happened as a result of him, then you shouldn't really be talking about bowl games in any way.
He was the frosh corner that SUPPOSEDLY interfered with Gamble's pass in 2003 (fiesta bowl, NC) That was more or less a bad call (what was worse was that it was a late call also) Every team gets the proverbial shaft in games, but it's about making the plays and moving on when you fall short. No one around here talks about beating Oklahoma. They don't talk about beating ASU and USC and Michigan, they talk about next week and who they're beating then.
I'M ALL FOR IT. For the record: The call DID NOT add points, OU was still ahead! Had the sooners been able to STOP the Oregon offense from scoring the necessary points to even tie the game or been able to actually kick a field goal, they would have won the game! Sooner fans use the bad call as a lame excuse for their shortcomings on defense and special teams. I welcome any rebuttal and look forward to another sooner beating.
Why hate oregon just for last year's game? Why not hate them for their fans? A few years ago they had, what, a dozen or so fans? Then they string together a few decent seasons and BANG! They're college football elite. No respect for tradition (why respect what you don't have?), no realization that they are an ameoba in the college football universe. Oh, and it is reasonable to hate them for their eye-searing ugly uniforms. They call us hicks yet they sport fake diamond-plate on their uniforms????
well I mean... was Oklahoma's first ten seasons all national championship seasons? Michigan's? Miami's? Oregon decided to try football out instead of running around a track or through the woods and it resulted in some pretty dark years (or decades) but come on. OU won the rose bowl in 2002. And lost three straight BCS games since (including two national titles) Sure, Oregon has fared worse since then, but we understand that we're the younger brother that's growing up.
Dear Oklahoma: move on from your tradition rich history and talk about your future. All those titles and seasons don't mean anything anymore. They are just stats and memories. It's about today and tomorrow, not yesterday.
Also, something on this forum that I haven't seen is the fact that no one is mentioning Oregon's injuries.
They lost their two best SENIOR wide receivers, their 1.5 string running back, and two linebackers, including a senior team captain.
Another stat- they are 8-1 despite all of that.
and beat top ten teams in consecutive weeks (albeit at home) without 5 key starters/players. Is there another team in the NCAA that you could've taken the equivalent of those players off their team, and still be as succsesful as oregon is now? and this touted Oklahoma defense. Oregon was able to still piled up 400 yards in back to back weeks against two top defenses in the NATION.
and yes, without three offensive starters/players.
Hey deano, I was saying your program is at the beginning of its evolution. It hasn't went anywhere yet. It might not. I don't know what I'm talking about? Come down to Norman. See what a program that has been there and done that seven times is like. Come get an idea of what you'd like to be when your program grows up. If it does.
Let me set this straight... there were more than one blown call in the ducks-sooners match up, secondly the sooners would demolish the ducks, this wouldnt be anything but a lopsided game(the sooners way too good for the ducks). so i would like to see it for revenge, but it wouldnt be the best team to match up with ou. lsu or ohio state are the only ones who could give ou a game now
@Why is that if Oregon is such a "powerhouse" football team and have the best stadium on the west coast, their fans are such idiots? Do your fans have to rush the field after every game? If you are such a powerhouse act like you have won a big game before! STOP RUSHING THE FIELD! Two weeks in a row duck fans have rushed the field after beating an average USC team and an overrated ASU team. BIG DEAL, nice wins but not "rush the field" wins. Learn how to win like the big boys if you think you play like the big boys.
Unbelievable... Am I really reading Duck fans being mouthy about "winning" that game? Haha. You guys were obviously way better than us, right? I mean, you ended up doing SO well (7-6) and lost to Bringham Young by 30 points to cap off your season. Nice. You know whats sad about all this? I used to think that Oregon had awesome fans (hung out with some in Norman), but reading this is eye-opening. No intelligent human being can argue that OU wasn't screwed out of that game...come on, people. I understand being loyal, but be realistic. As a Sooners fan, I'll just say congrats on a strong season and maybe we will see each other soon...
Funny side note: When a play goes under review at any OU home game (no matter who the opponent and whatever circumstances), after the official says "the previous play is under review", loads of OU fans always chant "OREGON BALL" Haha...
All this banter back and forth proves OU/Oregon need to play. OU fans are furious with PAC-10 refs. Duck fans are furious with OU fans. All insults aside, it has a chance to be the best bowl of the year.
I'm pretty sure the reason Michigan lost to the Ducks is because we had just lost to Appalachain state and our morale was not at its highest peak. Since then Michigan has won every single game it has played even when the odds were against us. I also remember a little game played against California, now below Michigan in the rankings, where the Ducks lost. Are you telling you me that California is better than Oregon because if you are then the rankings are seriously flawed.
How does Oregon cheat exactly? The officials made the call on the field. I agree it was ablown call. However, OU would have gladly accepted that if it was handed to them. To say otherwise, is the mark of a true moron. Also, the Sooners let the Ducks take control of the game. THAT WAS THEIR FAULT, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. They had chances to still win that game, they didn't.
Lastly: Do you think all you Sooner Fans who are obviously bitter over a "Game", can get a life and move on?
Okay first off, duck fans your ignorant... I would love to see this match up just to wipe the stupid comments from your mouth, In what was suppose to be our "rebuilding" year OU wins Big XII title. The fact is that OU recovered the ball and they all they should have done was kneel three times and go 3-0 in 3 seasons over a team in besides one USC team that was average in a weak conference. I've heard all this talk about conference superiority but seriously Big XII 3 teams in the top 10 and 4 in the top 15. It won't be a game, it would be a blowout with OU coming on the right side of it. I would root for Texas over Oregon, and saying that is enough to make me puke
Yes, OU got a couple of really bad calls and Yes, OU should have played better defense in the end but what is done is done. These aren't the teams from last year. Say what you want about OU losing to the buffs but that is only one loss just like Oregon. You lost to Cal which really isn't looking that good right now. OH Yeah!!! USC-overrated, ASU-overrated, OU is a better all around team than Oregon. We wouldn't destroy Oregon in a bowl but we would still win outright.
I believe Oklahoma fans would not want the win if they kicked the onside, and the ball did not travel 10 yards and or the other team recovered it , then went on to win the game immeadiatly after a complete game changing call that otherwise would have left them no chance of winning. The win is definitely tainted. I'm very sorry to tell you this reality. Later.
OU vs. UO would be a great bowl game - even after OU squash the Ducks. As for the Onside kick issue - just more reason for OU to steamroll UO. As for the Bomar cheating...he accepted wages for work he didn't do and was reported to the NCAA by OU; besides, how does that change what he accomplished on the field? FYI - taking away OU's wins does not affect the Holiday Bowl. The NCAA has no authority over bowl games. The OU beating of UO stands.
Lets not forget the Holiday Bowl from 2 yrs ago! I'd love to see the Rose Bowl filled with yellow & green Duck fans! Oklahoma gave away un-sold tickets to the U of O because they didn't sell them all 2 yrs ago....they'll do it again, refs or no refs. Stop whining and move on!! GO DUCKS, its your season!
I didn't realize recovery of an onside kick resulted in points.
When you are already ahead (Oklahoma) and all they have to do is recover (which they did, but was incorrectly called) and take a knee - yeah, that's points enough to win the game. What part of that don't you understand?
As an OU fan, I'd like to say I harbor no ill will towards the Ducks, in fact if Oklahoma can't be in New Orleans I'd just as soon see Oregon there -- and I'll root for them. What some people, including many Oregon and Oklahoma fans forget, is that in a way both teams were victims of last year's call: Oregon must be sick to death of hearing about it. I know I am.
Seriously, Stew, I love you man, but you must be a masochist. (Of course the fact that you went into sports journalism is a pretty good indicator of that.) Why would you want to bring up last year's game? It's the one game that sets off pretty much any Big 12 or Pac 10 fan. If the over/under on irate comments for this post is 500, I'll take the over.
I would love Oklahoma vs. Oregon and USC vs. LSU. PAC-10 could then show who is overrated. I remember a few years back when all the "experts" were saying the big bad BIG-12 was gonna role over and spank an up and coming team from the PAC-10. How did that turn out for ya?
Go Michigan. Go Georgia. Go Oklahoma. Go Oregon. Fight On Trojans.
You have been issued the following citation by the Idiot Police: $100 fine for blatant ignorance of college football.
COMMENTS: In your 5:32 p.m. post, you stated that “We visit the Cotton Bowl every year, it’s called the Red River Rivalry. Does [Oregon] even have a rivalry?” Obviously you have no knowledge of college football. Oregon and their rival, Oregon State, play every year in a game referred to as the “Civil War”. This rivalry dates back to 1894, making it the seventh-longest rivalry in the nation (longer than the Red River rivalry, which was first played in 1900). While you, or any number of other Oklahoma fans may argue as to which of the rivalries is actually better, to not even know about the Civil War is completely inexcusable. Plus, even if you’re not familiar with schools in other parts of the country, to not even have a clue that two FBS schools in the same state and the same conference might be some sort of rival shows a complete lack of intelligence.
As always, your fine can be waived in exchange for your not making any more blog posts.
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Did you see what Missouri did to CU last week on the road? Missouri's win over NU was more impressive than KU's. Missouri blitzed Texas Tech. Missouri is the best team in the Big 12 right now. #1 in Scoring Offense and Scoring Defense in Big 12 Play and #1 in Total Defense.
Oklahoma vs Oregon is only possible if its in the Rose Bowl.
All I can say is if over-rated Boise State could whoop em, Oregon would have second stringers in the game by the second quarter. Boring! This is merely banter for some Sooners fan wishing what could have been. The Ducks on the other hand should be playing for the National Title, and have a good chance of winning if the BCS selection rules don't mess things up.
Reading the Duck fans' cavalier remarks above, I don't think they realize how little respect they have here in Oklahoma. We're proud of a long tradition of winning ... winning big ... very big. The Ducks on the other hand are at a cresendo of excellence that will soon be gone. Enjoy it now, because the Sooners will hold you in disdain for many years to come ... and if history means anything, those years will not be in favor of the Duck.
Dennis Dixon is the best QB in the history of the world! Who else can throw a football in a perfect spiral only to make it change trajectory and direction without anyone touching it? That is the hidden gem of that game. If the refs had got it right, the onside kick would be a side-note. Either way, it doesn't matter. It went down as a W for Oregon and a L for OU. We all know what happened on the field. I would like to see the teams play again. I would prefer it be for the NC, though.
here is the long and short of it the call was bad but you people are right we choked on defense but for you to talk about our players getting paid for work they didn't do yeah it happened but it also happens in every major college out there you guys just haven't been caught yet this would be a good match up but personally i think the ducks should be #2 anyway and this is coming from a die hard OU fan
Ohh and by the way missouri fan, you have no right to talk about SOS. you play in the weak small 12 north and your biggest win is against an Illinois team that is 1.)currently not ranked and 2.) lost to (gassp!!) Michigain! the same one that we throttled if you have already forgotten.
Hey Stewart, your picks for the Rose and Fiesta would rock!!! I would love to see Oklahoma return the favor from last year, and I would also love to see ASU kick the snot out of Kansas at the Fiesta! For me that is a win-win! How could the BCS boys not want to make that happen if possible? I totally agree that it would make just about everyone happy, the schools, the bowls, the fans, and the local businesses and travel agencies.
I am a Big 12 guy, I do not want AFLAC to play the Sooners. I would prefer OU playing LSU and enough with the Pac-10. No one in the Pac 10 would be Missoura, Kansas, OU, UT, or Tech. Boomer Sooners and good luck to Chase Daniel, the Tigers are a real opponent, not the Ducks.
Wow. It is really terrible to see fans of Oregon get mad at the Sooner Fans. That was the worst cheating I have ever seen in years. Admit and take the win. What would you have done if you got cheated? I dont like the sooners but they sure did get ducked I mean exchanged that d for an F
Just few words for all you sooners. Even kids forget about the past. Watched a few of your games this year and you guys got some calls your way, however, your cry baby coach wasn't crying when it went in your favor. Funny how that works. I know, it must be shameful to lose to a Pac10 team. How does it feel to lose to a WAC team? Colorado? Did those games not get any calls your way either? Wha wha. Careful not to cry too much, after awhile, it's like calling wolf.
When the dust settles, and I'm sure you have a lot of dust, the nation knows you are a bunch of babies that cry when you don't get your way.
By the way, if your school is the University of Oklahoma at Norman, shouldn't that be UO and not OU???You guys really are backwards.
I'm an OU fan 1st, a Big XII fan 2nd, and a college football fan 3rd. So this is a great year for me. I'd love to see OU vs. Oregon in the championship game. About last year, OU was robbed (no offense to Oregon), but that doesn't matter now. If Texas hadn't imploded late last year, we would not have even been in a BCS game, much less play in one of the most entertaining games of all time. Even though OU lost, that was an awesome game. I've never been so emotionally high (the late pick-6) or low (spectacular Boise State trick plays) in one game. So yesterday is history.
I like Oregon: their football team, fans, and stadium. Honestly this is the first year EVER that I have felt so completely confident in OU's football team. We're loaded in almost every position. But even the best can lose (Colorado, Cal). A national championship game between the 2 is ideal for me. I'm tired of hearing how great the SEC is, and I'm tired of the long Big 10 bias on national tv. So let's get it on, and may the best team win.
BTW, I've driven through Oregon. It's a beautiful state with friendly people. Also, whoever says that Stoops is a whiner and has no class needs to be educated. I'm proud that he canned the 2 cheating players as soon as he found out about it. And I'm proud that he consistently downplays ALL blown calls, especially the ones that go against the Sooners. Just watch his press conferences if you doubt that.
Stewart, your idea for the Rose Bowl is great! I'm not an Oregon fan, but that would be an awesome Rose Bowl to watch. But with 3 weeks to go, Oregon is not necessarily out of the BCS Championship Game. If either Ohio or LSU lose and Oregon runs the table, the BCS computers may take over on who goes where. Ducks vs. Sooners in the Rose Bowl, great game but a likely win for Oregon to hopefully silence the ongoing comments from last year. Ducks vs. Ohio State would give Oregon a platform to show whether they've really got it or not. Just a thought....
The sooners didn't start out mad at the ducks fans but rather the game officials. And it wasn't bad calls on the field that started it because they happen all the time. It was replay officials looking at the play and then choosing to call it in favor of the home team that got everyone going.
When the sooners complained about the officiating the ducks got defensive because their only "win*" over the sooners was obviously very tainted. Instead of admitting "yeah, those calls sucked and the outcome of the game would probably have been different if they got those calls right", ducks fan reactions are the same as they are today: "stop whining! The sooners still had a chance to win the game if their defense played better after the bad calls."
That's when the sooners got more than annoyed with duck fans. Now if/when these teams ever play it will be a grudge match and the ducks are not faring too well against the sooners so far with their only win in 7 games coming with an asterisk. Unless duck fans feel like getting their noses rubbed in their next 6 losses to the sooners they might want to admit their one "win*" to date came with more than a little help.
Or don’t admit it because we know a "win*" over Oklahoma is a huge deal for the ducks and if it ever happens again they will sure to charge the field. When Oklahoma beats the ducks six of the next seven times it will just be expected.
Oregon does not have the powerhouse "tradition" of Oklahoma. No Oregon player has won the Heisman trophy, while Oklahoma players have won it 4 times. Oregon has never won the National Championship, whereas Oklahoma has won it 7 times. So give Oklahoma its due, they are, and have been, an outstanding college football school. On the other hand, Oregon has been a pretty good team for the past 12+ years. Oregon has played in a bowl game every year since 1995 with the exception of 2004. Oregon has not been shut out since 1985, that's 243 consecutive games. Oregon did finish the 2001 season ranked #2 in the nation and arguably should have had the opportunity to play Miami for the National Championship. So, Oregon has been building a very successful program and has been one of the upper-tier teams in the nation for about a decade now. Yes, Oregon beat Oklahoma because of a blown call, an embarrassment for college football and the referees, but not for either of the teams playing. Oklahoma has been there and done that, Oregon is the up and coming team - both schools are justifiably proud of their football teams, and it would be a great bowl game this year if they managed to get matched up against one another.
Referees miss calls in football games all the time. To start "what if"ing that call would open the door for a million others. Bottom line: It was a terrible call by the refs, but by no means was that play the last of the game. A championship team is characterized by adversity and in that game oklahoma could not shut the door, regardless of the call on the field. By the way, the only reason that win would have an asterik is because oklahoma had ineligible players on the field for the game, same goes for the holiday bowl. Though most schools probably do the same thing, they have yet to be caught, unlike oklahoma. One last thing, no team would win the pac-10 with a freshman quarterback, unlike the small 12. What is oklahoma's marquee win again? Miami, lol!! At least our OOC opponents are vying for their conference title. Go ducks, bummer sooners.
Attention dfdawgs and others who obviously did not see the game.An Oklahoma guy came up with the ball after the onside kick and they still gave the ball to Oregon. If OU gets the ball do you think they couldn't have made a couple clock-killing first downs? Remember Adrian Peterson? He was shredding Oregon that day.
actually the ducks never beat the sooners... and da ducks never actually recovered the onside kick.. OU actually recovered. but the ball still went to the ducks... lets get this party started and kick some donald *^%$*^(&(&(&& duck..
actually the ducks never beat the sooners... and da ducks never actually recovered the onside kick.. OU actually recovered. but the ball still went to the ducks... lets get this party started and kick some donald *^%$*^(&(&(&& duck..
RUDYRX - Stoops only talked about the call in the press conference the week after it happened. He hasn't mentioned it since as he said he would do at that press conference. It was the media who wouldn't let it go.
Oklahoma defense still had a chance to stop Oregon from scoring a touchdown after the controversial "recovery", and couldn't stop the Ducks. THEN Oklahoma still had a chance to kick a GAME WINNING field goal. Oregon blocked the kick. Seems Oklahoma fans forget that part. And won't get over it until they lose to Oregon again. BCS title game or in the Rose Bowl, I'd love to see it.
We all have our share of lower class, vocal idiots (ie: Michael the Duck, et al) who are sure to keep the other side stirred up with ill-thought slurs against everything from the integrity of the team's coach to the very home State of the university, but I'll admit we (Sooners) need to get over the botched call in the Oregon game. Sure I'd love to see us play Oregon at the end of this season ... if we beat them. It would be a close contest and who ever brags that their team would slaughter the other obviously has more mouth than brains. Both sides better be careful what they wish for ... both teams are very good right now and the outcome is a complete toss-up. It would be a huge game. I would like to see us play Oregon a few times over the next few years. We're on the up, while they are likely on the down. On the subject of being careful what we wish for, I would like to see Kansas beat OSU for one reason ... I would just as soon not face Missouri again this year. I may be underestimating Kansas, but they scare me less than Mizzou. This has been a special year for OU in that we have exceeded all expectations with our young team, however, expectations for the coming years are for a monster team. While an OU/Duck matchup this year is not likely ... I'm looking forward to bantying words with genuine Duck fans for the foreseeable future.
"Holy cow, a Mandel thread that doesn't turn into an SEC is better than everyone else thread?
:: falls over dead :::"
Now THAT was funny!
You Duck fans need to back off a little. I don't even hear about that game until a writer brings it up. Then the first thing I hear is a Duck fan complaining about Sooners. Seriously, if the two meet again, it will be fun to bring it up, but for now, EVERYONE needs to just let it go.
It's funny that Oklahoma fans are ragging about Oregons loss to Cal, but didn't Oklahoma lose Colorado. I thought that call last year sucked but maybe if Oklahoma D didn't quit it would have make a difference.
Almost every Sooner fan got over that call 6 months ago. as for strength of schedule, Oklahoma has beaten 2 top fifteen teams. Colorado would probably beat every Pac-10 Team ranked below Cal. There is no way, if this game happens, that Oklahoma will let themselves lose.
"Oh no! We won't accept the call on the field! That would be morally wrong! We don't want to win a game that way!"
That's rich!! HA! HA! HA! When have you EVER seen a football coach, or team refuse a ruling on the field when it's in their favor!? WOW! Bob Stoops should be nominated for Sainthood! Oh, er, but then there's the little sanction problem ;-)
i hate all these stupid Oklahoma fans talking about how "great" there team is...and how they have a solid program. and yes they do have an Okay program. But its all a bout THIS year. and plus they lost 2 colorado...(hahaha) The ducks have been AWESOME this year. I think they should get a chance at the National Title. Oklahoma is gay. =D
Saying that the botched call didn't cost OU the game is absurd. That's like saying the USA basketball team should have stopped the Russians in 1972 after the officials put time back on the clock twice. In the OU/Oregon game, if the ref makes the correct call, OU takes a knee and the game is over with.
I've been to a game at Autzen stadium and at OU (attended Okie State for three years). The best experience was by far at Autzen. I remember when OSU had to go to Norman and guess what the Norman crowd did? Threw frozen oranges at the OSU cheerleaders, knocking one out after nailing her in the temple. Come on OU fans, what do you have to say about this?
It was the bad onside kick call that cost oklahoma the win..it was Oklahoma's bad play and Oregon;s great play. Late in the 3rd quarter, Kelly scored the go ahead TD.. but he should have been called for off interference on Walter Thurmond. If this is called correctly.. there is no onside kick. Either way Oregon wins. What they were great refs with all good calls until it didnt go Oklahoma's way? Talk about cheating though. How about how lucky Oklahoma was to barely beat Oregon in the Holiday bowl. Kellen Clemens didnt play AND Oklahoma played a ineligible QB.
Ducks should give their team more credit. Oklahoma did not necessarily fold at the end of the game but rather the ducks executed their offense and were able to score with the possession wrongly awarded to them by the replay booth, which is different than a call made on the field since officials on the field do not have the luxury of watching the obvious unfold in slow motion. In any case it wasn’t like Oklahoma was manhandling the Ducks and folded at the end. Both teams were moving the ball and the Ducks were able to continue doing so at the end of the game with a possession they should not have had.
I think sooner fans forgot about the Ducks as soon as Oklahoma lost to Boise at the end of the season and would never have thought of them again unless a game was scheduled. And the Ducks might not want to get too cocky since Boise, once rebuilt, will be a good team again who the Ducks might find themselves avoiding. Here and now? Oregon has been good lately and so has Oklahoma. However in the long run I would have to say if history is any guide, Oklahoma will sustain the high level more consistently than the Ducks. If they played tomorrow the Ducks senior star versus Oklahoma's true freshman quarterback would make it a good game. After this year it wouldn’t be entertaining unless you're a Duck hater.
Every weekend the outcome of games is influenced by botched calls. The only real difference here was the number of possible scenarios was fewer and more clear-cut than normal. If being a national college football powerhouse means that you have to send death threats to a referee who makes a bad call in your first loss of the season then I seriously hope that Oregon remains a tier 2 team forever.
So check this out! I'm born and raised an Oregonian, my wife is a Sooner Alumni, and therefore I am a Sooner by marriage. I genuinely like both teams, and my wife is still all butt-sore about that fateful day in 2006. She was there! I totally want this game to happen, cause it would give the chance for pseudo redemption. I am all in!!! Let's do this deal!!!
I'd love to see Kansas play Hawaii for the National Championship, just to make the self-righteous hillbillies in the SEC and the crybaby pinko commies in the Pac10 squirm. And maybe convince the NCAA that Div 1A need a PLAYOFF!!!!! A Big12 team vs. a WAC team would probably be a good bowl, right? As for the Big10, may Ohio St and Michigan both choke their way out of contention and take Musberger with them. Go Rice! Beat somebody!
The venom spewed by the ducks fans is amazing - I honestly never expected such spite and hatred. I wonder if they are just a generally hateful people or if this is a sign that they fully recognize deep down that they lost that game and are pissed because of it? Or maybe they are just angry that we are *the* OU and not them (e.g. go to www.ou.edu and see if it's Oregon or Oklahoma).
I'm a current OU student and fan, but when I look at a game I don't think with bias, and that includes a potential OU-Oregon game.
The facts, OU has struggled against the pass even though they were suppose to have one of the best pass defenses in the nation, and depsite that can be pretty good when they want (Texas A&M and Mizzou), and are 3rd in the Big 12 in INTs. They are, also, only allowing something like 70 yards rushing.
In comparrison, Oregon has allowed 400+ yards of offense 5 TIMES this season and only held opponents to under 300 once, and have only played two true defenses in USC and ASU. Two of those 400 yard games came against Washington and Standford, and ASU rolled up nearly 500 yards of offence, and USC just missed 400 (whose offense at that time was struggling). They have the 75th ranked defense and 36th randed scoring defense. (404 and 22). The team that beat them (6-3 Cal) has since lost to UCLA and OSU who are both 5-4.
OU's defense, on the other hand, has only allowed 297 yards and 16 points per game. Both second in the conference to Kansas who hasn't played a ranked team to date this season. OU's defense has allowed 400 only once to Mizzou and has allowed 5 opponents to reach 300 (the most on the season are 418 to Mizzou and 385 to Texas). But they've held 3 opponents to under 250, and 2 under 150.
In the end of it, Oregon has played the same number of TRUELY good teams as OU (2). OU played, and beat, #14 Texas and #6 Mizzou, both ranked higher than #8 ASU and #17 USC. OU's defense against those two is 401 and Oregon's is 433. But Oregon holds the edge in points 20 to 26. OU averages more points though 34.5 to 29.5. Stat wise the game appears to be even.
Oregon and OU have been called the two most impressive teams by numerous experts, but defensively both have problems. OU has been more consistent than Oregon, however, in their defense, while Oregon has been more consistent in their offense. OU, however, it undefeated when getting over 280 yards, while Oregon can't win with 400. OU has yet to give up more than 420 while Oregon has allowed nearly 500 twice.
The offensive difference comes in feild position. OU has a shorter feild usually because opponents aren't a big bet to get into OU territory, while Oregon opponents are and punting gives OU better position (Smith and Murray help a little). OU's pass defense has stepped it up against big time QBs compared to Oregon. Dixon is a big name QB and will give OU more trouble on the ground than through the air (example A&M's McGee).
This would be a great game not only on paper, but also compared to how the teams have been playing. However I have to give OU the advantage because Bradford (2cd in the nation in passing efficiency, 5 to 1 TD-INT ratio, ect.) is better than a ASU QB who threw for 379 yards on Oregon and a better passer than USC's Sanchez who had 277 yards. That, along with OU's Kelly and Inglesius (sp?) at wideout and game changing RB DeMarko Murray, and a defense that's only allowing 76 yards a game give OU more weapons vs. Oregon. I'm not downplaying Oregon's game changers (Stewart is 12th in rushing and averaging 6.5 yards per carry with 1150 yards overall and Dixon has nearly 600 and Jones has 15 rushing TDs).
Idealy, the game will be even through the air, the difference will come in OU's ability pressure QBs into bad throws (3rd in INT in Big 12) and get sacks (1st in Big 12), as well as stop the rush (2nd in the Big 12) will be what changes the game.
talk about cheating, how many times has OU been on probation the last twenty years? At least the DUCKS are perfect in BCS bowls and they rolled over a little 12 team in that game. Who cries more in Oklahoma, little Bobbie Stoops or the guy at OSU. Talk about meltdowns.
Go Mandel!! OU to Rose, vs. Oregon; but instead of Kansas, who will lose to OU in the Big 12 Championship, if not to Oklahoma State tomorrow, send Texas to Fiesta. They will bring more fans. Unless, of course, they go to the Orange, as you suggested last week. I'd rather go to Miami than to Tempe. Hook 'Em!
As a Sooner fan, I have no animosity toward the Ducks. They are a fine team with a great coach and a lot of talent. I believe that a rematch this year between the two would be a great game and get the undivided attention of the entire nation. I believe, also, that the teams are alot more closly matched than some proponents of each will admit. But a couple of facts need to be set straight. The problem is not that the Ducks cheat. I don't think anyone can come up with an example of Duck cheating that has given them an unfair advantage on the field. The problem is with the PAC 10 officials. Whether they were actually cheating or not is a matter of conjecture, but a couple of facts are undeniable. They were all suspended for one game, Reice did not officiate for the rest of the year and will not be allowed to return in a replay capacity and the PAC 10 commissioners apologized to Oklahoma for the blown call that took the game away from them. Bomar was paid to not wash cars. This is against NCAA rules, but gave them no advantage on the field. Therefore, their victories were merely vacated, not forfeited. (That decision is on appeal and will likely be overturned) Neither team can claim a win in the Holiday bowl game in question. So the fact is this: Without the Pac 10 officials bias/incompetance, the all time record stands at 6/0 in favor of Oklahoma. But since we have to count the Pac 10 officials bias/incompetance, the record is 5/1 in favor of Oklahoma. BTW, when College Game Day was in Oregon a couple of weeks ago, somebody held up a sign that said "OU 34---UO 35 Don't Stoop to crying." If you want to talk about lack of class, I think thats it.
Jerry from Pakiston has asked a profound question.
Michigan will beat Wisconsin first and then that team from Ohio next week to win the Big Ten Championship and head to the Rose Bowl with a 10 game win streak (improving Lloyd's mark against the bucks to 7-6)
It'll be great to disrupt Stew's much debated idea about some rematch of a mid season game how long ago? I think Stew gets too much heat when it comes to being an SEC slappy, even he can't possibly enjoy the way oversweetened SEC Koolaid. By the way, Lloyd Carr is also 5-2 against the SEC with bowl wins over Auburn, Arkansas, Bama and the mighty Gators and a reg season win over Vandy (an easy win last year versus the struggle that Florida had beating Vandy)
Having said all that, not sure I want to play Oregonnnn again this year, particularly in the Rose Bowl. For that matter, not sure if I want to see LSU or Oklahoma either. Any way we could play Florida in the Rose Bowl or better yet Texas - could be a good year to play Texas again as a rematch to one of the greatest Rose Bowls of all time.
Yes, OU officially lost the game. But this mistake is on par with the infamous "5th down". Any team in college football would be furious over a call like that, and rightfully so. But the Sooner nation as a whole has moved on. Everyone has a few wacko fans.
I hope you can laugh at the 2nd video cause it's funny, I don't care who you are.
PT U are a silly guy. Your article is very bias. U mention alot of areas that OU is good but dont even mention that UO is even better in those areas. First off, UO has indeed given up alot of yards, but their red zone D is good. Plus UO plays real offenses in the PAC 10, OU doesnt. Secondly, UO has played far more good teams than OU. Teams that UO have played that are ranked or were ranked in the top 12 at some point this year include at Mich, Cal, USC, ASU, and soon to play UCLA. Even UCLA could beat Texas, Missouri, Texas AM and texas Tech this yr. OU is going to pressure Dixon the senior to make mistakes? Are U on crack? He has 3 INTS ytd and one was a needless hail mary before halftime. We are killing U currently in the nation on sacks AND tackles for loss. Murray is a game changing RB? Are U kidding me? Stew is killing him anyway U slice it..yards per carry..rushing yards ytd. In fact..Stew beat Peterson last yr in OU vs UO game..AP 6.2 yrds per carry vs Stew 6.3 yrds per carry. Hell, even our QB averages same yards per game as your "game changing RB". Dixon 63 yards game vs Murray 65 yards game. Imagine what UO would do to U if we still had Johnson, Colvin, and Paysinger (who are all out for the yr). I am not even including Bacon and Tuitele on D. OU have some hurt plyrs also? Yes , but they werent premier offensive plyrs that are juniors and seniors who were scoring at will at the beginning of the season like Paysinger, Colvin, and Johnson. OUs passing D has never seen receivers and then RBs and QB like Oregon's. Its ok to be bias PT, just dont try tell people U arent biased. Why didnt U mention UO would pressure Bradford? We are killing U right now in the nation on sacks and TFL. U are proud of being 2nd in the big 12 in rushing D? U have never seen a rushing O like Oregons. U want to talk about field positon? U have no punt returner or ko returner compared to Oregon. Your fg kicker isnt averaging 77% like Oregon. UO is also beating OU on turnover margin. Lose on the road to a unranked Colorado team? At least Oregon lost by 1/2 yard to a ranked at the time Cal team. Score is..oregon with all of its plyrs healthy vs oklahoma with all of its plyrs healthy on a neutral field.. Oregon 38 Oklahoma 30.
In summary PT, OU cant pressure Dixon into bad throws because he is a senior, we have better recievers than U do, and we have a running O that U cant defend. OU wont get sacks but UO will sack bradford. Chk it out. We are killing U on sacks. Finally, u wont stop the rush against a UO team that is averaging 272 yards a game with out our amazing backup RB Johnson and our trio of hurt recievers that keep Ds honest. I didnt even mention Derrick Jones being hurt at receiver. Nice try PT. Good luck to U.
You're sooo right. Who are we to think that we could even feel worthy of getting on the same field as you mighty ducks?
Your vast knowledge is terrifying. You must know a thing or two to bag on Adrian Peterson (cause he's doing awful at the next level, right?) and claim your backs are better than what OU brought to Oregon last year.
Again, we lowly Sooner fans are so sorry that we ever imagined being able to play against such a far superior team. Please forgive us. We were under the impression that football games were won by the players on the field and not by number crunching fans.
Come on, guys. Nobody knows what would happen until the game is played. I'm pretty sure college football has shown us that plenty of times this year.
Even some of my fellow Sooner fans need to stick a cork in it. We were on the losing end of a SERIOUSLY crappy call, but we had opportunities to win the game. If some psycho Ducks fan wants to think that they are superior then shame on you for not being the bigger person and realizing that they simply aren't used to having an awesome football program year after year like we are. Be happy for them and maybe we'll get to meet them again soon.
Never said AP wasnt a great runner. Point is. so is Stew. Case in point. Stew is averaging more yards per carry this yr as a junior than AP averaged last yr per carry as a junior. I dont believe in number crunching either..but PT needed to see a flip side. Can we agree that college footbal rules? There is only 12 games so every game is critical. In the NFL.. u can go 8-8 and still win the Super Bowl.
Pretty entertaining debate. As a Mich alum and fan I'm not sure that I want to play either one of these teams but if Oregon were able to get their players healthy like they were against Mich earlier this year I would expect the skill players of Oregon to overwhelm the OU defense.
Oregon 31 Oklahoma 24
Having said all that if you want to talk about bad calls how about the Charles White phantom touchdown in the 1979 Rose Bowl where he fumbled at the 3, was recovered by a Mich player on the 1, yet they called it a touchdown!
Yes, Sooners, the refs made a horrible call. Yes, Sooners, your defense got torched at the end of the game, it was still yours to win. That was last year. This year the Ducks would run up 500 plus yards and 40 plus points and you would leave Pasadena a team crushed by a vastly superior opponent. Be careful what you wish for.
Okay, here are some facts (which I know don't often enter in to these kinds of discussions): 1. Yes, Duck fans, the onside kick ruling turned the game. OU gets correctly given the ball, takes a knee, and the coaches shake hands. 2. Yes, Sooner fans, OU's defense failed miserably to stop the go-ahead scoring drive after the blown calls. 3. No, Sooner fans, you can't say for sure how Oregon's offense would fare against Big 12 defenses 4. No, Duck fans, you can't say for sure how OU would fare against Pac-10 offenses. 5. Saying that team X (last post was UCLA (UCLA???) would beat X, Y, and Z teams in another conference is just stupid. You have no idea what would happen, so stop acting like you know what you're talking about. 6. I know a lot of Sooner fans and Duck fans. Guess who still talks about the game? The OREGON fans. I recall hearing Stoops talk about it until his Tuesday press conference the following week, and never again. OU fans that I know quit talking about it last season. The UO fans that I know still talk about it, and always with some comment of: Whiners, pouters, crybabies, and worst of all, karma. None of the first three apply, and the last one is just sad. Every team has had a win stolen from them by hook or by crook, but to act like UO deserved a screw-job win over OU because they'd gotten bad calls before is pathetic. If you are one of the Duck fans who feel that way, you are a loser. If you are an OU fan who wants payback by seeing bad calls against UO in ANY game, or made death threats against Gordie Reese, you are a loser. 7. OU does not suck. 8. UO does not suck. 9. OU does not pay players or run a dirty program. 10. The UO program did not pay the officials to throw the game their way. If someone did, it was someone not officially part of the program.
It's a great matchup, but I expect that Oregon is going to play either LSU or OSU for the National Championship this year, so maybe in a year or two we can re-visit this.
Oh, I forgot one thing: UO does not get the Holiday Bowl win even IF the NCAA sanctions stand. OU would be 0-4 that year, not 0-12. If the sanctions stand, officially, the game never happened. However, anyone with a memory or a TiVo knows who won it. OU is 6-1 vs. UO, not 5-2.