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SI.com college football writer Stewart Mandel shares his commentary, analysis and random tidbits on the latest developments around the country.
Five Things We Learned This Weekend
But following McFadden’s epic performance in Saturday night’s 48-36 win over No. 23 South Carolina, the Heisman electorate is going to have some serious re-thinking to do. Dennis Dixon, Tim Tebow, Matt Ryan (whose brief moment in the sun ended in pretty humbling fashion Saturday night), Chase Daniel -– all are putting up big numbers every week for teams in conference and/or national-title contention, which has pretty much become the Heisman model over the past decade or so. But the award is supposed to go to the nation's "most outstanding player" -- and what McFadden did Saturday night was the dictionary definition of "outstanding." The stat line: 35 carries for an SEC-record 323 yards and a touchdown. Plus, a 1-yard touchdown while lined up in Razorbacks’ slick WildHog formation. Amazingly, teammate Felix Jones added 163 yards and three touchdowns of his own. And Arkansas needed every one of those yards to fend off the 6-3 Gamecocks, whose quarterback, Blake Mitchell, was having his own way with the Razorbacks’ porous defense. Afterward, coach Houston Nutt likened McFadden to Barry Sanders. Eric Dickerson is another common comparison for the junior, who is now third nationally in rushing yards (1,316) -- despite sharing carries with fellow 1,000-yard rusher Jones (1,026). It’s too early to say whether McFadden will win the trophy, but I predict the choice coming down to an extremely difficult decision between him and Oregon’s Dixon, a guy who’s putting up his own ridiculous numbers (68 percent completions, 20 touchdowns, three interceptions, plus 549 rushing yards and eight rushing TDs) for a team that’s likely going to finish with a much better record. 2) That the wrong Big 12 team is ranked No. 4. It’s been an amazing season for the once-beleaguered Big 12, which currently has four teams (Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri and Texas) ranked in the top 15. The problem is, the wrong one is highest-ranked. No disrespect to 8-1 Oklahoma, which has a fine team and may well wind up winning its second straight league title. But c’mon, now. Kansas has played nine games now. They’re one of just two remaining undefeated teams (along with Ohio State) from a BCS conference. Why do we pollsters still have the 9-0 Jayhawks ranked lower than the 8-1 Sooners? I, much like the rest of America, have been respectful, but still a tad skeptical, in regards to Kansas’ accomplishments to date. The fact is, they did not play a significant non-conference opponent, and they’ve yet to play any of the other three highly ranked Big 12 teams. At the same time, however, Kansas has won at Colorado (something Oklahoma -- which, if you haven’t noticed, is not nearly as dominant on the road -- could not do). And they just put up a staggering 76 points on admittedly hapless Nebraska. They’ve won games with both their defense (holding the Buffs and Texas A&M to 14 and 11 points, respectively, on the road) and their offense (Saturday’s was their sixth game scoring 45 or more points). I think it’s safe to conclude Kansas is pretty darn good. When I filled out my AP ballot Saturday night, I kept the same top-three -- LSU, Ohio State and Oregon -- that I’ve had for several weeks now. They are all teams I’ve seen in person win significant contests and have emerged in my eyes as the head of the class nationally. The Buckeyes are undefeated, while the Tigers and Ducks have now won numerous games against ranked foes. But I could see no remaining reason why I should continue to rank Kansas lower than teams like Oklahoma or West Virginia which have no more distinguished resumes than the Jayhawks -- not to mention they, unlike Oklahoma, haven't lost a game. I bumped them from eighth to fourth. They’ll have a chance to move even higher if they keep it up; 5-4 Oklahoma State and 8-1 Missouri await them next -- and, if they can win those, probably a date with the Sooners themselves. 3) That LSU could be pretty darn good ... if it ever gets its act together. Early in the season, the Tigers amazed me with their seemingly endless wealth of talented athletes; now, they amaze me more for the fact that they keep winning. Let’s face it, Les Miles' 8-1 team could just as easily be 5-4 right now. In each of the Tigers last three wins (Florida, Auburn and Alabama), they trailed in the late stages of the game, and all three comebacks required ridiculously clutch plays by the guys on the field and absurdly huge strategic risks by Miles. The latest came Saturday in Tuscaloosa, when Miles’ latest gamble -- down by seven, facing a fourth and 4 at the Tide 32 with about three minutes remaining -- turned into an Early Doucet catch-and-go touchdown to tie the game. They won by forcing a John Parker Wilson fumble four plays later. Afterward, Miles made no bones about the fact that while his team may have pulled out the win -– and is now back up to No. 2 in the BCS standings -- the Tigers aren’t playing anywhere near their best football. The fact is, all these last-minute heroics probably would not have been necessary if the Tigers could ever put together a complete game (or field their complete team). The last time they did, as you may recall, they blew a pretty darn good Virginia Tech team right out of the stadium. Since then, however, there’s always been at least one thing missing, whether it was top receiver Doucet missing five games with a groin injury, their highly touted defense letting them down during key spurts against Kentucky and Auburn or QB Matt Flynn struggling like he did for most of Saturday’s game (throwing three interceptions), one in which change-of-pace QB Ryan Perrilloux surely could have come in handy were he not being disciplined for his part in a late-night bar altercation. In the end, however, all that truly matters is that even with all those blemishes, LSU survived one of the nation’s toughest schedules with just a sole defeat and put themselves back on solid footing to get to New Orleans. If and when we ever see the complete Tigers, there’s little doubt in my mind we’ll be seeing the nation’s scariest team (hence why I've kept them atop my ballot). Keep shooting themselves in the foot, however, and their luck will almost certainly run out. 4) That Florida State should be much better than it is. Saturday night, Bobby Bowden's team did something it used to do with regularity for a decade-and-a-half: Go on the road and squash some wannabe powerhouse’s dreams. Mack Brown’s North Carolina teams, the Joe Hamilton Georgia Tech teams, even a couple of Steve Spurrier's great Florida teams: All had their visions of grandeur squashed by superior Seminoles squads. And it usually happened in the same exact way as FSU’s upset of No. 2 Boston College on Saturday -- with a dominant defensive performance by the ‘Noles. Watching LB Geno Hayes notch FSU’s third Matt Ryan interception of the night and returning it for the game-sealing touchdown, it was as if the calendar had suddenly turned back a decade from 2007 to 1997. (Except that Chestnut Hill was not one of the 'Noles' regular road destinations back then). But back then, the 'Noles were in the midst of a staggering run of 14 straight national top-four finishes. Even after Saturday night’s win, this FSU team is not even ranked in the AP poll. And while BC remains the front-runner in the ACC’s Atlantic Division, the ‘Noles sit mired at fourth, having lost conference games to Clemson, Wake Forest and arch-rival Miami (which itself is a mere 2-3 in the conference following Saturday’s loss to 4-5 N.C. State). It’d be one thing if FSU was just plain crappy, and Saturday night’s result was a fluke. On the contrary, what must frustrate ‘Noles fans to no end is that their team has proven capable of beating teams like BC and Alabama but has lost three league games by a touchdown or less. (Last year’s 7-6 team had five such close losses.) No one would suggest that these ‘Noles are as loaded with talent as some of their predecessors, but you don’t need to be to contend in the current, mediocre ACC. Think Coastal Division leader Virginia has as many future pros on its roster as FSU? Not likely. The reality is, the ‘Noles would be BCS contenders right now if they could simply achieve consistency -- something they’ve lacked for several years now. Take a wild guess whose shoulders that falls on. 5) That Eugene, Oregon, is my kind of town. The idea behind this weekend’s "Oregon Trail" blog series was to share with you, the readers, the sights and sounds of a weekend on campus for a big game at the same time I was experiencing them for the first time myself. I only hope you had half as much fun reading about it as I did being here. (If you missed them, you can catch up starting with this entry and working your way back up to this one chronologically). By no means was this my typical work weekend, and I harbor no delusions of being able to do it again anytime soon. But for one weekend, at least, it was incredibly fun to re-live college life, from standing in the student section at a basketball game to dropping in on a fraternity’s pregame tailgate to joining my weekend buddies Goss and A.J. on a "tour" of Eugene’s bars (Saturday night entailed my third visit in two days to campus staple Rennie's) to watching them flirt with the freshmen and sophomores. (I did draw the line at returning to their apartment for beer pong late Friday night. The goal of the weekend: Have fun, but don’t do anything I wouldn’t want to have caught on a cell-phone camera and splashed on the Internet. ... So far, so good.). Even now, as I write this, I’m sitting at a Starbucks surrounded by college kids with highlighters and text books -– one last dose before heading to the airport and returning to reality. Just like I said in the Mailbag last week, I leave Eugene with yet another reminder how the college-football experience is different -- not better, not worse -- everywhere you go. As A.J. told me, Oregon is "a great football school ... during certain hours," and indeed, after listening to 60,000 fans at Autzen Stadium create nearly as much noise as 90,000 in Gainesville or Baton Rouge, after watching them pour on to the field in celebration in one of the sport’s truly universal scenes, within hours of the game’s end, life here basically returned to normal. Though Rennie’s was packed to the gills with both guys and girls in Dennis Dixon or "old school" Joey Harrington jerseys, neither SportsCenter highlights from the game, nor "No. 3 Oregon" appearing on the screen next to Kirk Herbstreit's face, elicited much of a reaction from the crowd. But don’t take that as a sign of apathy. There’s no question they love their Ducks here just as Oklahoma fans love their Sooners or Ohio State fans love their Buckeyes -- they’re just a little bit mellower about it. Being a mellow guy myself, perhaps that’s why I enjoyed it here so much.
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Comments:So if you believe Kansas should be ranked higher than Oklahoma, you must believe that if Kansas plays Oklahoma in the Big XII championship, the Jayhawks will win? Because I sure don't. I am from Kansas and go to school at OU, so I respect both schools, but the thing the Sooners have going for them is they have experience in the championship game, and I don't believe KU has the offensive power to overcome a defense like OU's. We shut down Texas A&M last night and scored 42 on them, while Kanas could only score 19 on A&M's pathetic defense. Even if our game had been in College Station, I think the result would have been the same. OU may not have played spectacularly on the two Big XII road games we've played in so far, but when it came to a neutral field, high pressure situation in Dallas against Texas, the Sooners responded just fine.
Stewart, you are abslutely right. While I have never been to Eugene, it isn't much different than other laid back West Coast cities, Seattle, Santa Barbara, Anaheim or San Diego. It is what makes the West Coast special and served as my inspiration to write The West Coast Bias Blog.
The people are also more liberal and open-minded which is nice. When I've been to Notre Dame or Tennessee all of the fans believe that their respective teams own College Football. It is nice to the West Coast fans, who have lives outside of sports, get some respect from Stewart. Thanks Stew! Why do I think you'd prefer to rank Ohio State number 8 or 9, but can't justify it?
Don't fall too much in love with Les Miles, Stewart. He strikes me as the kind of guy that is sitting on 19 and shouts "Hit me!" His riverboat gambling ways are gonna cost him eventually and break your heart. Prediction: Ohio State vs. Oklahoma in the National Championship Game. I agree with Nicole. People who think Kansas should be ranked higher than OK should have to put big money on Kansas, should they play.
Stew was late getting this out. Perhaps it is harder to travel to the west coast as Hawaii says, than to travel to Hawaii. dude.. OU is not going to the BIG 12 Championship game... Kansas is better than OU... and the Longhorns will go to the Big 12 Championship game... winning is winning remember...
OU will loose 2 of the next 3 games.. sit down and watch.. That is typical Eugene for you. We enjoy our football, but we have so many other things to do in our lives. Hiking, camping, fishing, biking and also white water rafting. If we win, that is awesome, if we lose, we still have to other options to do.
Who are the idiots in the polls that have LSU ranked #1. They needed a miraculous 4th quarter of screwing up by a very average Alabama team to pull out that game. I am not a fan of Ohio State, but I do think Kansas is impressive.
Hey porks....Texas will not win out either. Hating OU will keep you awake at night. No way is Kansas better than Oklahoma. They are the last of the pretender unbeatens. (And no, I don't even count Hawaii in the conversation...) I seriously doubt that they beat Missouri, let alone Oklahoma. They beat a Nebraska Team that had no heart for the game or its coach.
My top 5.... (1) Ohio State - the most balanced team in college football. (2) LSU - Outstanding defense, jekyl & hyde offense. (3) West Virginia - the most dangerous team in college football. (4) Oklahoma - Very balanced team, powerfull defense. (5) Oregon - Explosive offense. The question isn't so much who is the best team in the regular season, but who is built for a one game season (BCS Bowls). Oregon, who has a spread offense that relies on timing, will be less of a threat after a month off. (See Ohio State last year...) Oklahoma has a red-shirt freshman quarterback, and when he plays a great defense in the BCS will have some troubles. West Virginia may be the most dangerous team in college football when Slaton & White are healthy, but will suffer because of the perceptions of the Big East. That leaves Ohio State and LSU. I actually give the edge to LSU in the one game season scenario because of their defensive line. The Buckeyes are certainly built better to play in January though. It will be a great game. Tressel will want to beat him since Les Miles is going to be coaching Michigan next year anyway. NO, it DOESN'T mean that you think OU would lose to Kansas. It's simply saying that considering the games that have been played, a 9-0 team deserves to be ranked higher than an 8-1 team whose loss came against a mediocre team.
Who's to say that Florida couldn't or wouldn't beat Kansas also? But a team with 3 losses can't be ranked ahead of a team that's undefeated. isaac - I thought the idea was to rank the teams by their quality, not whether they beat up some powderpuffs like Hawaii & Boise St have done.
Maybe like Isaac suggests, all teams with no losses should be ranked higher than any 1-loss team. Hey we can eliminate all thinking by putting the names of the no loss teams in a hat and drawing number 1. No more bias, no more need for brains.
If you question the strength of LSU, why do you still have them number one? And if you give props to Kansas as impressive, why do you have Ohio State ranked so much higher when they have played the weaker schedule?
You, like most other voters in the polls, place far too much emphasis on the elite powers in college football when the 85 scholarship level has evened the playing field. The playing field is level, the voting process in the polls still upholds the elite traditions and until we get to the point where we settle this on the field, your poll is no more valid than any of the others. Like the mindset of West Coast bias, this is why I have created my website - BCSBusters and which is why I have written a book manuscript on the subject. Calling out others, when you practice the same bias is not giving the readers the full story! Glad you had such a good time, come back again when we're getting ready to play for the national championship.
I grew up in Michigan but have lived in California for a number years now. It kills me that "sports fans" out here act like those of us from the Midwest or the South or any pother part of the country spend out entire lives around the tv watching our favorite teams. Yes we love our teams, and we are very passionate about it, but we do lots of other things as well. I skiied, played pond hockey, went sledding and did a number of other things in the winter. In the summer there is just as much to do in the mid west as there is in the west. Before you go an aaccuse people from other parts of the country from having closed minds or not doing anything else besides watching sports, visit the rest of the country and educate yourself first. And while we're on the topic of passionate fans, having livede here in La I have seen the same kind of attitude about owning the sport from USC people and have seen UCLA fans act completely destroyed after losses.
Nicole - where was all that OU championship game experience when they choked on the road at Colorado? (the same team KU beat in Colorado) Thats the problem with polls - everyone relies on "previous experience" or the "traditional powers" theories, and doesn't pay attention to anything on the field. You state that OU may not have played spectacularly on the road, but isn't that the true test of a team - winning on the road?
Joshua - You talk about OK choking at Colorado. Last year you could have talked about Fla choking at Auburn. Kansas has played no one since it is obvious that K-St and Nebr (assuming they still intend to field a team) are not much competition. OK has played a much tougher schedule.
I though the rankings were supposed to be about what a team has done and what they are currently doing, not what people think they could do if things go right. I understand talking about what a team may be able to do during the early weeks of the polls, but after 10 weeks it should be about what the team has done and how they are playing now, not about how you think they should be playing. If you think that LSU has been the best team so far this season and is currently playng as the best team then vote keep voting for them as #1. If not, vote for whoever you believe has been playing the best and is currently playing well. Give up the SEC hype and vote for who you think is most deserving right now, not who you think should be most deserving.
"teams like Oklahoma or West Virginia which have no more distinguished resumes than the Jayhawks -- not to mention they, unlike Oklahoma, have lost a game."
Stewart, you're good at your job, but please buy a new pair of proof-reading glasses, my friend. Oklahoma has a loss, not Kansas, which you're obviously aware of. Too many little errors for a professional column and website, and your editor isn't catching them. Not to be naggy, I really enjoy your writing. Those things are annoying though. LSU is highly overated.
If Kansas is going to get to the BS championship game, they have to beat Mizzou (#6)and Oklahoma (#5) in two neutral site games. This willbe extremely tough. If this happens and LSU still gets into the championship game, it will be an unmitigated travesty. The highest ranked team that LSU has beaten is VA Tech at #11. The SEC is full of mediocre teams, not the conference it used to be. If KU goes undefeated ang gets beaten out by a once beaten team, the Big 12 should pull out of the BCS. you're right, that would be ridiculous. but KU has a lot to do before they can worry about stuff like that, they still have OK St on the road as well, i believe. seems like every year there's a team that looks like they could end up being in position to have a major gripe, but never end up getting to that point. and KU isn't anywhere near closing it out yet.
i think a one loss LSU getting in over a one loss Oregon would be a shame as well. but again, a long way to go. it's never quite this convoluted by the end. crazy year though, who knows. Stu:
Thanks for coming out and checking out Oregon. I hope you'll come check out the student body section for the Oregon / UCLA game. I am sure the students wouldn't mind and neither would the AD. It should give you an advantage should you get the cover the Olympic Trials. Since Mac Court will be replaced in a couple of years a story done by you would make for a great chapter in Mac Court History book. Have a great week!! and Go Ducks!! Charles, but the fact of the matter is OU has 1 loss. Kansas has NO losses. The loss for OU was a win for KU. All forecasting aside, you cannot predict what will happen to KU, they need to be highly ranked until they fall.
Kind of like why Stewart keeps LSU at #1 over a team with a much better defense, OSU. Howie == Did you blow off the rest of the day's action after your Duck lovefest?
Let me tell you what you missed: Mizzou 55 CU 10 (CU's worst home loss in 25 yrs., MU gets 598 yards, hold Buffs to less than 200) A month ago: KU 19 CU 14 (eh) KU gives up nearly 40 pts and 500 yds to woeful Nebraska's 2nd string QB. ANYONE who watched that game saw a pathetic NU defense that gave up again and again. The KU and Reesling hype is a waste of our time. Mizzou will beat KU by 4 TDS AND OF ALL THE ONE LOSS TEAMS, MU has the "best LOSS" (at Okla. where no one wins vs. Oregon's HOME loss) everettm1 you are a great mind! Yes an undefeated Kansas is a National title worthy team. I am excited to see KU's season wrap up, and I am rooting for an OSU-KU title game.
Stewart,
Granted, Mcfadden had an extrodinary night, in what otherwise has been a lackluster season for him. On the otherhand Tebow has TWICE as many touchdowns has his nearest competition,has a quarterback rating in the stratosphere and has unique focus and drive to win. Comparisions and suggestions that other players are on the same plane as Tebow do not do the game or his talents and performance justice. Stewart, you really shouldn't make any comments about Big 12 football, since you obviously don't have a clue what's happening in the conference.
Just too many of your, "I confess, I didn't watch [Big 12] game because I was tied up watching the exciting ending of [Big 10] game." Remember? So now just leave it alone, since there aren't enought hours in the day for you to focus on SEC, Big East, ACC and Big 10 and have time for anything else - Oh - did I leave out USC? I guess that problem is what opened up time for BC for you, wasn't it? I'm amazed that you now have your new love-child, Matt Ryan, calling it a "coming out party" for his media annointed Heisman run, instead of even commenting/noticing that he couldn't score a single point for 58 minutes in that game. But I guess if you're invested in BC, then you just have to ignore some things, right? You're pitiful.... Mandel's ridiculous State Capital Bias shines through again.
lsu's toughest win has not ben against VT they are just another out of conference win how about u send your favorite team down to the SEC and play a full season and see how you do
Stew, have you watched *ANY* Big-12 game all the way through this season?
Particularly any Oklahoma, Missouri or Kansas game? My bet is no. Stew.... I must address LSU at #2.
What really good team have they beaten.....except for alot of mediocre SEC teams. Soft non-conference schedule except for a VA Tech tem with no offense, which they played at night at home. You overate the SEC and give the Pac 10 and Big 12 no respect. I like the fact that you have the cahones to publicize your rankings and I respect it. But, please, get off of the SEC bandwagon. @snook, yeah, Tebow has uniquely driven his team to a powerhouse 6-3 record, while D-Mac has slouched and sleep-walked his team to a lousy 6-3 season mark.
SFPRMAN.....
You are totally correct. Mizzou's only loss came in Norman where Oklahoma is 52-2, yes that is fifty-two wins and two losses, during the Bob Stoops era. I have seen the light and will call the winner of the Mizzou-Kansas game the #2 team in the country. For all of those thinking OU's loss AT CU was so terrible, why don't you have Kansas ranked higher than Oregon? They lost to a mediocre team at HOME. Someone explain it to me.
Hey Mandel, if you want to enjoy a REAL college town experience, why don't you come down to Athens for the Auburn game this weekend. I have a couch with your name on it if you do.
We learned something else this weekend...Indiana is actually capable of being bowl elligible! Go Hoosiers! Coach Hep is smiling down on Bloomington today!
Semi23
Lets look at the SEC LSU - highly overated with a mediocre offense and no top shelf wins Georgia - lost to South Carolina and Tennessee (who had a 28-0 4th quarter lead on them ) enough said. Tennessee - pounded by Cal and Florida and lost to Alabama Florida - 3 losses - enough said. Kentucky - beats LSU and loses to Mississippi State - enough said Auburn - lousy football team. Alabama - 3 losses - enough said. LSU va. Oregon/Oklahoma on a neutral field. I'll give you 7 points and bet a paycheck. Given the you probably make $6.50 and hour at the local 7-11, I can afford it. ATTN: root
Regarding your statement that "The Buckeyes are certainly built better (than LSU) to play in January though. If LSU and Ohio State meet in the National Championship game, it will be played in the Superdome. Indoors. 72 degrees. Not a cloud in the sky. Doesn't matter what month the game is played. Hey, everetttm, I'll take that bet. I bet you were saying that about Florida last year, too, weren't you? About how Florida couldn't possibly stay on the field with mighty Ohio State. Face the facts guy, the SEC is the best conference in the land and we kill each other. Top to bottom, there is no better conference. You think Oklahoma will beat LSU? Oklahoma who lost to Colorado? Talk about an overrated team, Oklahoma IS the very definition of overrated, just like they were in 2003 and 2004.
Hey Oklahoma, Auburn wants their shot at USC back you overrated, live off of biased writer's votes program. So hate on the SEC. But when LSU rips Ohio State this year and Georgia beats whomever in the sUGAr Bowl, y'all won't be saying much of anything. Another resounding prediction......
Ohio State vs. LSU/Oklahoma/Kansas/Oregon/Mizzou in the title game. Doesn't matter, OSU gets whipped. I won a bunch of money on Florida. No matter how much I hate the SAC hype....the Big 10 stinks.
The arrogance of the Big Ten is breathtaking...I am sorry, but cable customers should not be forced to pay for the Big Ten network as part of their "expanded" basic cable package. Customers who want the Big Ten network should have the option of paying for it as a premium service.
Let's be clear -- this is about the Big Ten greedily trying to extort money from every basic cable subscriber in its 15-state footprint. Don't the residents of these states do enough to support Big Ten universities -- especially huge programs like Ohio State with lavish athletic budgets -- without the conference trying to squeeze out even more money? It's astonishing to me that the chancellor of the University of Wisconsin would lower himself to the point of shamelessly peddling a TV network and suggesting that customers switch their cable companies. Do you people have no shame? Also, to be clear, I have no affiliation whatsoever with any of the cable companies. I am simply an outraged consumer. Hey everettm1, remember a few years back when Auburn went undefeated and didn't make it to the BCS championship game, it happened before and it could happen again. I doubt VERY SERIOUSLY that the Big 12 would pull out of the BCS if an undefeated KU does not make the championship game. They should play a thougher schedule if the want some respect!
Without reading all the comments I am still amazed at your continual love affair with LSU and you're willingness to rank them number one. It seems that you have in your own words stated that "they could be a pretty darned good team" which brings to mind the sportswriters' mentality of looking at the talent on a team and ranking them based "potential" and not performance, which is what you are ethically bound to do. LSU lost to a now 6 -3 team, was behind much of their last game but yet, everyone, including you continue to give them credit based on "potential" and not performance.
In the matter of a couple weeks, your darling USF who you vaulted into number one has fallen and I guess in less then a week Matt Ryan has reverted to joining the "boys" again. Although I respect you for putting it out there and for your humility, you shouldn't be so fickle in your analysis and quick to jump on the latest bandwagon. More is expected from a national sports writer and I'm waiting for the day when you become the man among boys. Regardless, thanks for your hardwork! Dwayne.......
With the current setup, no team plays any more than one decent non conference opponent. One loss means too much. We need a playoff. We agree on the playoff thing, that's for sure! I would love to see some form of playoffs in Div. 1A
The buckeyes welcome any challenge from any SEC team. Ohio State learned a lesson last year and has moved on. LSU, Florida, Bama. It doesnt matter bring it on!!!!!!!! Forever Loyal Forever Royal The Ohio State Buckeyes
Be careful what you wish for buckeye,you may just get your wish! I REALLY don't think OSU wants to tangle with another SEC team!
Hey BCSbusters. What is your solution? How many teams would be in your playoffs and who would they be if the season ended today? Let's see the names. It's easy to attack others but what do you have to offer other than a $20 T-shirt?
For people not knowledgeable with the BIG 10 philosophies let me explain something. Don't take this as an excuse but rather something BIG 10 fans understand, accept and are willing to live with. BIG 10 teams are historically lethargic in the bowl games because the BIG 10 recognizes their athletes are student with families and end the football season before Thanksgiving so the student athletes and families can share important time together. Like it or not, it has a great affect on the performance of a BIG 10 football team and probably contributed to OSU's poor showing in the NC game last year. I'm not in any way taking anything away from Florida and the job their coaching staff did in spanking OSU last year. 50-some days off from competition is much different than 30-something. BIG 10 fans will live with it because we understand it and have priorities other than always coming out on top. With that being said, Florida spanked OSU last year and they deserve all the credit for doing so. Hopefully BIG 10 teams will learn from that and perform better this year. It is worthy to note that the Big 10 was still 2-1 in bowls last year against the SEC and there's nothing you can say about that if you're argument is that the top BIG 10 team would struggle to be 500 in the SEC...it just isn't so and reality, not speculation supports it isn't so.
First off I am a current KU student and while what I write on here may sound bias I apologize in advance if anything comes off that way.
Everyone who sits on here and talks about how we have not played anyone is correct. I have been to every single game this (including the away games)and your right our schedule is not that tough. That is not our fault though. Aside from the non-conference games were in a two year system. Meaning that every two years we switch the big 12 south opponents that we play. I am not saying that we would be able to hang with Oklahoma (at least not yet) but Tech and Texas have done nothing to make me fear them. Tech got rolled at MU and then lost at home to the same CU team that KU beat and OU lost to. Texas lost to KSU at UT and then we beat KSU in Bill Snyder stadium. Props have to be given there even if KSU is mediocre. Texas has dominated OSU in the second half for a while now so I was not surprised at all to see them pull that one out. Yes I watched first hand Ganz rip our passing defense but even I knew that we were not that improved. We have just played poor passing offenses. Two of his passing tds were on Talib who is a supposed all-american. Why? Because for as good as he is he tries to guess way to much. However, we only gave up a few yards on the ground, around 23 with are first stringers in, more with the back ups. 4 Ints help us out though so feel free to test us, you may win and you may not. I am not going to say that I am not worried about any game ahead of us. OSU is capable to doing things. Bowman racked up 300 yds on last year. Could happen again. ISU is not a worry since it is at home but yes MU is a great squad. One thing Mizzou fans better hope happens is that KU does go undefeated. Otherwise a victory over both us and OU will not jump you ahead LSU or Oregon (assuming they win out) I am not saying that people need to jump on the wagon and say were good but you do not need to thrash us. We are not retarded, we know that we haven't played anyone but its whatever to us, were still undefeated and aside from Hawaii and Ohio State fans we have a better record then everyone else. This has been a hell of a season for us. Do I think we will make it to the national championship game. Of course I do because I am a fan and a student at the school. I am just like you all. However, until someone beats us we are allowed to feel and think were better then you, even Hawaii and Ohio State. Just as in everything else in life, it's all about the money. The SEC teams won't schedule any good teams on the road because they make so much money at their sold out mega-stadiums, even for POWERS such as Tennessee Tech and the directional Lousiana schools. Especially now, after USC has destroyed so many SEC powers recently. Wasn't Auburn ranked #1 when USC demolished them a few years ago? If the SEC is so great top-to-bottom why won't they schedule any PAC-10 or Big-10 teams away from their cozy home confines? Is Arkansas the only team with the courage to do so? Thought so.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's nice to have someone recognize the value of consistency in college football. My hometown Jayhawks have been one of the only teams in the country to bring it each and every week, and yet they're ranked below They may not have the best athletes like USC and LSU, but what they have done on the field speaks for itself. It amazes me that a team like Oklahoma, who I respect a great deal, can be ranked higher than KU, when the Jayhawks have the advantage in the best comparison you can make. They lost in Boulder, we didn't. Seems simple enough to me. Rock Chalk!
tenn did it this year and got beat that is how it goes but tell me who would like to play florida at home with national championship on the line maybe u win maybe not but the bottom line is the championship game should be LSU vs. OREGON
It is rediculous for AP and Coaches poll to move 2-loss Michigan ahead of UConn, which has 1-point loss against a ranked ACC Virginia team. They beat 3 good teams including the highly touted #10 (at the time)So Fla. What about Michigan? Barely won their games .. again this week. Then thy are moved into #12!!
R.S. Ok, the reason(s) LSU is the best(and for the record, i'm a bama fan): 1. They DO have an offense (23rd in the nation, 14th in points scored) 2. Defense wins championships (2nd in the nation in yards 10th in points allowed) 3. They play in the SEC (the reason you say that LSU beats 'mediocre' teams is 'cuz you only look at the records of the teams they beat. No conference game in this league is a sure win[aka: parody]) 4. Even if they don't play their best football, they find a way to win! (see #3) 5. What team in the nation has better depth at every position than LSU?
Josh - Give me a break. Hawaii has also done it each and every week so I guess Kansas is on the same level as Hawaii, for the same reason. Cheer them if you want, and they have done well, but no way have they established themselves as anything but a Top 25 team now, not Top Ten.
Semi23.I'd like to have some of what you're smoking.
LSU is OVERATED. When they beat a worthwhile team please let me know. Right now they are a one loss team with wins at HOME against mediocre teams. If the NC game was played right now.......KU vs. OSU. KU will not win out though...let me know in a month when LSU has another loss against one of your halfway decent SEC teams. Conference rankings: 1. Big-12 2. Pac - 10 3. Big East 4. SEC The SEC won't schedule any good teams on the road?
What a crock of B.S. It's the other teams that don't want to play home and home against the SEC. Georgia has pleaded with Michigan for YEARS to play home and home. But they refuse. The last time we talked, arrogant Michigan wanted two home games. That's not how it's played. Look at Georgia's nonconf sched from last year on. We played or will play Colorado, Okie State, Arizona State, Oregon, etc. Now, don't blame us if when we play Oregon they're a 7 win team. When we scheduled Colorado, they had just won the Big XII North and won 9 games. Don't come on here spreading the same old tired B.S. lies about the SEC not scheduling anyone. We try. LSU played VaTech this year. Auburn played USC. Notice USC didn't schedule Florida, Georgia, or LSU. They scheduled Arkansas and Auburn. Also, Georgia also plays Georgia Tech every year. Okay, bad example. The Bugs suck. Florida plays FSU and sometimes Miami. SoCarolina plays Clemson. We play our ACC neighbors. The SEC plays teams. In the Big-ZERO, they play direction teams from Michigan every year. How is that different than SEC teams playing directional school from Louisianna? It isn't different, hypocrites. I have to agree with Douglass.
That was completely classless plugging the Big Ten Network on this discussion of football rankings. As if cable rates are not already high enough with annual (and sometimes biannual) 6% rate hikes, here comes the Big Ten Network to extort a few more bucks from us poor sportsfan saps. BAMAFAN77.....
Give me one impressive SEC non conference win. None on the road for sure. Quit playing LA Tech and Kent and then talk trash. everrettm1, you're on drugs, and obviously biased against the SEC.
It's okay. Just remember, envy is one of the seven deadly sins. Wouldn't want to see you end up in h e l l. thank u bamafan the only team that is not in the SEC that can beat LSU in the back yard is maybe OREGASM lets hope every team in the top 4 wins out and see what happens
hey expert how bout lsu beating vt it might have been at home but let me know what u think
they didn't just beat Va Tech(who is #11 by the way), they demolished them. Ok so it was at home. Factor out the 7 point home-feild advantage swing, and you still got a 41-7 blowout.
@ Nicole You use the Texas A&M common opponent point for Kansas and Oklahoma, what if I choose Colorado? @ Charles You take him out of context and you know it. Isaac was making a point and it was a good one. @ the big ten network I watched OSU-Wisconsin over the weekend. Repeatedly they would c |