Joe Namath should not be on any greatest list. His numbers are pathetic. He ran his mouth off one time and it didn't come back to bite him. I wouldn't even put Joe Namath on a list of the top 50 QBs of all time. If your gonna put people on the list for one Super Bowl Win you might as well have Kurt Warner on there. These lists are always a popularity contest
I agree with you guys on Favre. As long as we're talking about career and not currently, he should be on the list. He couldn't make a list of the top 10 current qbs now. But to the guy who asks how Tom Brady is on and Manning is not? HELLO! How about because Brady has won 3 titles with a good supporting cast, Manning chokes every year with one of the greatest supporting casts in NFL history on offense. Harrison and Wayne are far better than any receiver Brady has ever had and Brandon Stokley is very good also. Brady has never had a running back like "Edge." Peyton Manning may eventually win it all and go down as an all time great, but as of now, he's not in Brady's class. As Steve Spurrier once said "ya can't spell Citrus without UT!" That was Princess Peyton's UT team he was talking about and the legondary Tee Martin led the Vols to the title the next year. Last year the NFL tried to get Manning to the Bowl, but they still couldn't beat the Steelers even with the refs help.
The list is ok but lost credibilty by having the likes of Joe Namath and Tom Brady and not Roger Staubach. How can Roger not be on the list. In fact Staubach should not just be on the list, but within the top 5.
Joe Namath....?, that guy gets in only because of the win over the Colts, and because he played for New York..... no way does he deserve to be in the top 10.Check out these stats... Among the league's all-time top 50 Pass attempts: 44th Passing yards: 39th Passing TDs: 42t .... should not be on the list period......
Even though Favre is washed up and can't play anymore, he is one of the 10 most clutch for his career. As for Manning, he may be the least clutch great player I've ever seen. Marino never had the best team, Manning has had the best about 3 times and never even made the Bowl. Manning (Mr October of football) should be #1 for the regular season or in college for games against Kentucky, Vanderbilt or Mississippi St, but that's about it. He isn't in Brady's universe.
Tom Brady should not be on this list. Has Tom Brady ever led a big game touchdown drive. All he's ever done is throw dumpoffs against prevent defenses that left the field goal kicker with 40 yd field goals. He's not the clutch performer...the field goal kicker is.
Someone asked what Brady has done that Aikman hasn't? Please, look at the talent on those Cowboy teams compared to the talent on the Patriots. Give the Pats their due, but those Cowboys would smoke any of the Patriot title teams. Aikman had a far superior supporting cast to Brady.
there is NO way tom brady belongs in the same class as anyone on that list. ahead of terry bradshaw and bart starr? call me when he's in the huddle calling his own plays with the super bowl on the line (like bradshaw and staubach did against each other in two tight championships). other people mentioned staubach, favre, and manning, but i'd add steve young (a much better athelete, who put up better numbers than even montana), jim kelly (who ran a 2-minute drill all game for years, and would have won that first super bowl if he'd have had the same kicker who bailed brady out twice), fran tarkenton (who made won a ton of games with a lot less to work with), and some old-timers like sammy baugh or sid luckman. it's so hard to listen to sportswriters drool over this guy. he's a good football player, but there are a lot of good football players who don't get breaks like brady's gotten (remember the tuck rule?). and anyone who doesn't think he's a system quarterback should check the win/loss record before and after charlie weiss left town (2003: 17-2 & sb champ; 2004: 17-2 & sb champ; 2005: 11-7 & divisional loser - and they should have lost to pittsburgh in wk 3 and not made the playoffs, but for that extra minute added to the clock). it's easy to be clutch when you've got a brilliant mind calling your plays for you, a kicker who never misses when it counts (ask peyton about this), and a steady stream of calls that always seem to go your way.
Marino has 47 4th quarter comback wins....2nd in all time NFL behind John Elway, he played on bad teams, anyone who says he shouldn't be on the list needs to flush their heads out.... winning one superbowls shouldn't be the only criteria...
alright, Brett Favre is the most popular choice that wasn't added...3 time Mvp almost 4... you've got to be kidding me with that Tom Brady B.S. If you're going to put a todays Quarterback up put manning on the list. Take off Brady put on Favre.
First of all, Unitas is No. 1 regardless of the era. Elway at No. 2 because he led three average Bronco teams the SB before he got Terrell Davis. Roger Staubach not on this list. INSANE! Get Brady the hell off of this list. What in God's earth is Marino on here for? Great fantasy QB, but clutch, give me a break.
I guess Favre's getting penalized for these last few years on bad teams. I wonder if Brady will hold up if his numbers dip as he gets older? Maybe Dr. Z compiled this list - we know how down he is on Brett. And no Staubach or Young? Seems like a questionable listing.
Terry Bradshaw may be the most overated qb of all time. Look at his stats, not even close to Hall of Fame. As for winning 4 titles, look at his team! Arguably the greatest deffense ever, and Hall of Famers all over the offense. If Bradshaw played for the Pats of the last few years, they'd be lucky to make the playoffs. Those dissing Brady have to be jealous Colt, Jet, or Dolphin fans. And I'm a Bronco fan, but Brady defines clutch. 10-1 in the playoffs people!
OK Tom Brady is good but not number 4 good! What about Steve Young he has a ring and he took over the 49rs when Joe left town. Brett Farve should be on the list. People pick on him for sticking around but hey for an old guy he still gets the job done better then most QB in the leage today!!!
Brett Favre get's the job done better than most the qb's in the NFL today? I gotta agree, nobody in the league looks as good throwing 29 INTERCEPTIONS as he does! Ya guys see he threw 5 in their first scrimage? Having said that, Favre is of the 10 best of all time, he's just washed up now.
Kudos for not drinking the Brett Favre Kool-Aid that all the other members of the media seem to be sipping.
Lost in all the unending praise of Favre for being a "true warrior" and a "fighter" and all that is the fact that the guy has easily thrown more dumb interceptions over his career than any other premier QB. And no one in the media ever brings it up because they're too busy waxing poetically about how Favre plays the game like a throwback.
Case in point: January 2004, NFC Divisional Playoffs. Eagles beat the Packers in OT. The Packers defense gives up a 4th and 26 conversion en route to the Eagles tying the game up with a field goal at the end of regulation.
Do you remember what happened next? Probably not, because all anyone ever talks about is the 4th and 26 play and not the ball up for grabs that Favre blindly chucked to start OT, which set up the game winning FG. God forbid Brett be criticized.
Dan Marino, never won when it counted. Surely Steve Young or Staubach would be a better pick. Marino and many other prolific passers are very good but not clutch quarterbacks. The best game I saw Marino play was against the 85 Bears when he surprised everyone by rolling out, of that could be more of Shula's game plan than Marino's abilities.
Marino is, IMHO, the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. The guy was one-dimensionable and, for all his supposed greatness, never won a darn thing in Miami despite playing under one the best coaches in NFL history. The only time he made it to the Super Bowl was his rookie season--before defensive coordinators knew how to game-plan the guy. Nobody has ever won at football at any level with a guy and team that could only do one thing--throw the football. He and the Dolphins were just the East Coast version of Dan Fouts, Air Coryell, and the Chargers, who never won anything, either, for the exact same reasons. His inclusion on this list is laughable in the extreme.
It's good to see that no one can disagree with Montana at #1, only 3 time Super-Bowl MVP, and numbers are not jaw-dropping but continue to be gaudy for any QB. The first name I noticed missing was one very disputed, a personal hero of mine, being a younger fan-minus the drug problems- Brett Favre. Super-Bowl MVP, second on the all-time passing TD list, and how many consecutive games? Well I'll let you all look it up. Favre would play hurt, look at his thumb problems last year, continued to play no matter the pain. If that's not clutch, I don't know what is. Roger Staubach... his name is Captain Comeback, even seeing him play a limited amount, the nickname alone works for him on this list. Steve Young was a great QB, his all-time passer rating is almost 4 points higher than this list's number one, Joe Montana, but clutch... I don't know. I'll finish with...a play to the Tom Brady Hate Club. Granted Vinitari finished out many of his clutch drives, but those drives he's known for could have all ended before Vinitairi took the field. He's smart, and makes good decisions, not to discount the football mastermind talking into his headset. But the guy wins ball games, in the snow, in the dome, against high-powered teams, no matter the situation, check his record. One loss in the play-offs?
Peyton Manning? You mean the supposedly most brilliant person to ever play football? The most uncoachable player in NFL history? The one player that refuses to think anyone on the staff can call a play better that what he chooses to audible? The one QB that has put up great numbers when it didn't matter but always folded when they really needed him? MY GOD!!! How did he NOT get put on this list?!!
Yo, What did Marino ever win???????? Why not put Peyton Manning on your list as well????? You should delete Marino and Bradshaw and add Sammy Baugh ans Sid Luckman. Give the old timers their due!! I personally would have put Unitas #1 and Montana #2, but I can't really argue one way or the other. Montana was a great clutch quarterback.
Anyone who thinks Peyton Manning is clutch must think Stephon Marburry is right when he says he's the best point gaurd in the NBA! I don't think clutch is defined as someone who cries and whines blames his teamates when his team loses. Contrast that to Brady who took the blame when the Pats lost to Denver, even though there was plenty of blame to go around. The NFL changed the rules a few years ago, because the Colts and their whinning qb cried about the Pats db's playing to physical. So what happened? The Patriots smoked the crybabies again the next year, despite being so beat up, they had receivers playing db. Then the NFL all but handed the Steeler game to the Colts after Manning threw what should have been another game losing interception, and they still lost. Everyone remembers the missed fg, they forget impatient Manning going deep on 3rd and 1 just before that. The people who say Brady is overated and the media darling are wrong. Peyton Manning is the real media darling and it's laughable.
Not to jump on the bandwagon, but this is another vote for Favre. As far as the 29 interceptions, he also was 3rd in the league for total passing yards. He is forced to try to make plays because there are no other playmakers on the team.
Obviously, Namath should be off the list, that is a given and almost everyone would agree on that. The only reason he made the Hall of Fame and your list is because of the Super Bowl guaranty. He never made it back to the playoffs after that and had one of the lowest passing efficiency ratios of any named quarterback.
Unitas should be moved up to #1. If Johnny Unitas played under the rules of today where def. backs can’t touch the receivers going down field and the def. linemen couldn’t mug the QB, thereby allowing Unitas to stay healthy, (he spend a lot of time injured) he would have passed for another 10 miles in yards. What other QB passed for a touchdown in 47 straight games not to mention QBs of today play in a lot more regular season and post season games than they did 40 years ago thereby allowing them to rack up inflated passing statistics than the older guys. They barley had Super Bowls during is prime. Comparing QBs of the 60s and before to the ones of today is like trying to compare baseball players of the same time. The game has changed so much (and in football, the number of games played has increased substantially over the 12 and 14 game seasons of yesteryear) it makes comparisons difficult.
There are Great Passers and there are Great Quarterbacks. Great Passers put up great stats, win a lot of seasonal games. Great Quarterbacks win games regardless if it's during the season or in the post season.
Great Passers carry the team. Great QBs LEAD their team and carry them when absolutely necessary.
Great Passers include Marino and P. Manning.
Great QBs include Montana, Staubach, Bradshaw, Favre, Young, Baugh, Unitas, and on and on.
Think this way. Last game of the season, 1 minute left, ball on your on 30, you need a TD to win. Who do you want on the field? Marino? Manning? Or Montana, Staubach or Favre?
let's see....2nd half of a big game, down 10. how many would choose namath over staubach? didn't think so. whoever made up this list failed to look beyond the hype and mythology. namath is nowhere near the top 25 clutch qb's.
Marino is on the list because of the combacks and to say he is the most overrated qb ever is a joke he never had a running back.....and favre isnt on the list because of his awsome ability to throw crippling ints late in games
I can't believe Bradshaw is ranked below Marino (or half the other guys on this list). All Bradshaw knew how to do was win and he did it in an era where QBs called their own plays and weren't protected by very many rules. Bradshaw & Co. took the losingest franchise in the NFL and turned it into the most dominant for a decade.
Tom Brady deserves his spot, the only things clutch about Dan Marino were his regular season games. I hate Favre but he deserves it more than Marino. At least you all have it right with Montana at #1, even though he is probably the most un-athletic quarterback ever he made up for with his confidence
Phil Simms of the NY Giants should absolutely be on that list! The dumb guy nobody ever took seriously (and the best commentator on TV). Led them to 1 Super Bowl victory, qb'ed most of the season they beat the Bills with Hofstetler at the helm for another. Owned the NFC East for years. Always big cajones in the clutch. An iron man, started all 16 games of his final season and was retired too soon. One for the ages.
Come on you guys, Elway should be number one on the list. He did more with less than any other QB in history. Taking out his last 4 years in the league, name at least two pro bowl lineman or running backs...most of the other guys on this list were surrounded with pro bowlers and hall of famers. Saddled with the 3 Amigos or Sammy Winder, Montana would not have had near the stellar career he had.
Okay, allright, I can't believe some of the posts I'm reading here. If we are talking clutch quarterback, then Elway has to be number one on the list. Come on, like I said before, he did more with less than any of these guys. I give Montana all of his due. I greatly respect the guy and believe he is probably deserving of the number one ranking he gets on most lists. BUT....he was surrounded by guys like Rice and Taylor, Harris Barton, Brent Jones, Roger Craig...the list goes on. I mean, Elway retired 2nd on the touchdown list, 2nd on the yardage list, but what everybody seems to forget is that he also retired 1st on the sacked list. Yep, he was sacked more than any other QB in history, and yet he was able to win more games than anybody else. I mean, come on..when you are talking clutch, Elway has to be first on that list, and certainly not 3rd.
Kenny Stabler, with out a doubt needs to be on the list. Anybody who is 2-1 in the NFL's greatest all time games (Wins: Sea of Hands, Holler Roller, Loss.....I cant even say it). KENNY STABLER Needs to go on the LIST!!!
Can't find fault with nearly anyone on the list, but what about the fellow Bob Griese? Two Super Bowls and the undefeated season no other team has since matched. Surely, he must have been pretty good in the clutch, don't you think?
No way Namath makes the list. Marino shouldn't make the list either as a clutch QB.
As a pure, passer, sure. Peyton Manning fits the same category (so far). He hasn't even gotten to the big one. He may well deserve to be high on the list by the time he retires.
Favre has great numbers and should be on the list.
Len Dawson should easily make it before Namath. Just compare the numbers. Dawson had 3 AFL titles to Namath's 1. Namath: 173 TDs, 200 INTs, Dawson 239 TDs, 183 INTs. Dawson was the chosen as the all-time first-team AFL QB. Even Namath's Super Bowl win, as admirable as it was, is not as impressive statistically as the one Dawson got the next year.
Even though I'm a Pittsburgh boy, I'd have to put Staubach on the list. He just found too many ways to win big games. Probbably only Montana could give you a worse feeling if you were holding a small lead late in the game.
In another move that breaks my heart, I'd dump Namath to make room for Staubach. Joe lost too many games with bad interceptions.
Here's my top 5 1. Elway - 47 game winning drives, 2 SBs, played for Reeves, would have had Marino's numbers and at least 2 or 3 more SBs if he had Shanahan his whole career. 2. Brady - Real close to being number 1, but Belicheck gets some credit. But Brady is Clutch 3. Staubach - Was on some great teams, but best QB of his era. 4. Favre - Had some help, but still clutch, NEEDS TO RETIRE NOW. 5. Young/Montana - Both were pretty clutch, but they both played on some of the best teams of all time. Name a position and most were pro bowlers. Now look at the 49ers HA HA HA.
OVER RATED Marino - put him in Denver and no where near the numbers he had in Miami. P. Manning - Dad was better, cannot win the big game. No clutch player, just a regular season all pro. THAT IS IT. Bradshaw - Most overated of QB of all time, Ryan Leaf could have led the Steelers to at least 2 or those SBs Namath - Only thing he ever did was predict that he would win a game and sleep with every hot chick in his day Aikman - Played with one of the best RBs and WRs of all time, not to mention the other pro bowlers on that team. They could have put Jerry Jones at QB and won those 3 SBs