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Talk baseball all season long with SI.com's Jacob Luft in Baseball Chatter, a journal for hot topic debates, Sabermetric ramblings and reader-driven discussions.10/25/2006 07:37:00 PM New York, New York
This is some World Series, huh? The first three games each have been won by a dominant pitching performance, which is fine -- if you love pitching. That doesn't do much for the drama quotient, though. There haven't been many strategy points to debate, either. How could there be when the Cardinals and Tigers are taking turns completely shutting each other down? This is like the Bob Gibson and Mickey Lolich show all over again.
We don't need the World Series here in New York, not when we've got the world's largest candied apple to enjoy.AP
Working in New York, the most enjoyable aspect of this week has been watching Mets and Yankees fans cringe at the mere mention of Tigers-Cardinals. That's if they acknowledge that there is a World Series going on at all. Mets fans have it particularly tough, having been so close to beating St. Louis in Game 7. Many are still in denial. And it can't be easy for Yankees fans to see Kenny Rogers continue his Sandy Koufax impersonation after emasculating Murderer's Row & Cano in the first round. To make matters worse, we all have to wait until the Series is over to get new episodes of House.
You know, maybe there is something we could do to help the downtrodden Big Apple baseball fans. Let's see if we can't come up with things for them to do so they can keep busy while the Cardinals and Tigers compete for that elusive World Series trophy. Here's my top five suggestions. Don't be shy about adding your own. The first person to mention "East Coast Bias" in their post gets a free food or drink.
1) Relive your glorious pasts! YES Network and SNY have a full slate of Mets Classics and Yankees Classics broadcast planned. This week alone, YES is showing Game 3 of the 1999 World Series and Game 6 from the '96 Fall Classic. On Sunday, while the Tigers and Cardinals may be staging a Game 7, Mets and Yankees fans can huddle close together by the fire and take in the rebroadcast of Game 5 of the 2000 Subway Series. (I totally thought Mike Piazza got all of that one in the ninth, didn't you?)
Of course, SNY is badly outgunned in this department by YES. Earlier today, for instance, SNY showed the Carlos Beltran-walk-off-homer game against the Cardinals from this August. Was that supposed to ease the sting of Beltran ending the NLCS with the bat still on his shoulder? Or make it worse? Does the "S" in SNY stand for "Sadistic?" No matter. They will make up for it on Friday by showing Game 7 of the 1986 World Series.
2) Make your final preps for next month's New York City Marathon. Nothing like good run to shake off that October hangover.
3) How about some homespun activities? Make candy apples for the kids or go out and pick pumpkins the way Brian Cashman does on the free agent market.
4) Are you ready for some football? The Jets and Giants have winning records and may contend for the playoffs. Out here in Jersey, you know we're proud of our undefeated Rutgers Scarlet Knights. And for comic relief there's always the Knicks.
5) Make voodoo dolls of Rogers and Jeff Weaver and set them over an open flame.Comments:
Slow news day I guess.Unfortunately, on the West Coast we have no such luxuries such as YES or SNY. Those of us mourning the lackluster Dodgers or the "almost, but not-quite" season of the Angels can only sit here and watch endless reruns of the World Series of Poker should we decline to get our baseball fix watching two midwest teams duke it out. And even if we did have dedicated networks here, you can only see Kirk Gibson's home run or game 6 of the 2002 World Series so many times. At least the Dodger fans have enough highlights in their past to produce a good day or two of programming. We Angels fans... not so much.
So go ahead with your "East Coast Bias." Keep thinking that New York is the only place baseball is played in America. And Yankees fans, please remember: You're 0-2 against the Halos in playoff series thus far!
Now that I think about it, I'd enjoy seeing those games again very much...
http://thecaliforniateam.blogspot.com/Oh, and I damn near forgot:
We Angels fans have long had our Jeff Weaver voodoo dolls in hand. We remember that had he not been abyssmal with us this year and had he posted even a .500 record instead of that KC Royals-worthy 3-10, we may have made the playoffs this year.
Instead, we paid him the rest of his $9 million to pitch decently for St. Louis.
While we still root for Eckstein, Edmonds, and Spezio, I can't say I know of an Angels fan who wasn't smirking in game 2 when Weaver showed his old ways once again.The Angels didn't even make the playoffs.
Don't talk about the Yankees.zzzz..wha?? The World Series is on? huh?
Tigers v. Cardinals. A World Series that in 4 weeks will be forgotten by everyone except those who played in it.Ahh, yes, Game 5 of the 2000 Series... watching poor Al Leiter just throw pitch after pitch after pitch after pitch after pitch after pitch after pitch after pitch ...
Why do I get the sense that YES won't be running Game 4 of the '96 Series (Kenny Rogers pitches without any assistance and gives up six runs) or Game 4 of the '03 Series (Jeff Weaver gives up the winning homer to the first batter he faces in the 12th inning).
And NYers won't get bored, not with all these chippy Midwesterners to make fun of.Why do we care what New York fans think? ...How about you write about what Kansas City fans think or what Tampa Bay fans think...you act like if its not a large market world series team like yankees or mets going against another large market then the series arent even worth watching...so why dont you become a BASEBALL fan first...watch the world series...and support the game instead of worrying what New Yorkers are feeling...plus im sure they can just rest their heads on those 28 championships that they have...The winner of a series of games does not do so by luck. The Cards played better than the Mets. The Tigers played better than the Yanks. It's not our fault NY fans are arrogant and overpay their players to lay eggs against all-stars who may less than $20 mil./year. Whoever plays the best wins and will be remembered definitely more than a bunch of whining babies from NYC. Face it...you got outplayed and the Cards are going to break into double digits for championships!
-OJG (STL, MO)Here's a thought. Get ESPN classic to show game 6 1999 nlcs. I'm sure Yankee fans would love to not only watch the Mets lose, but at the hands of a Kenny Rogers walk. Wait, did I say Yankee fans. I meant show it for us poor Braves fans who haven't had any October baseball to enjoy for the first time since 1990.AWWWWWWW.....any series is more interesting than the lamest of the last 10 years, the SUBWAY series. ZZZZZZ.....Well, my suggestion to New York fans is get some pitching. Not Jamey Wright, Not El Duque, not Carl pavano. Spend your money on some good pitching.
On another point, the world does not revolve around New York. Its refreshing to see a Championship without a NY team... wait.. it has been that way for a while.
Maybe instead of blowing your goods on high market players you should get role players who can support the big guys instead of studs who support studs because it hasn't worked.
I do not feel sory for any team that resides in the biggest media market in the US. The simple fact is that for a change we have an entertaining World Series and the media A.K.A. Northeast biased writers can't stand it one bit.
We have two classic teams going head to head. I don't think their unis have changed in 50 years... at least. Plus, their fan bases are loyal and live for their teams. Lets give St. Louis and Detroit the spotlight they deserve and layoff the Yankee Met talk. Until the post season. You know why?? BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT! And The two midwestern teams could.. AWWWWE!Cry me a river, New York fans. There are 20 million Americans who are disappointed that the Yankees and Mets are not in the World Series, but there are 120 million Americans who are thrilled that both teams got their pink slips early this year.
Most Midwestern baseball fans have remained fans through long stretches of lean years when their teams have not had a winning record, let alone made the playoffs. I can't help wondering: would the New York fans who are so outspoken every October be nearly so dedicated if they had to endure the same cyclical fortune that is thrust upon fans of mid-market teams?YES actually showed Game 4 of the '96 World Series last night. It was great watching "King" hit the 3 run homer off of Wohlers.Can't believe this! Do we like the game or the team? Do we think the system that leads to the World Series is flawed if our favorite team fails to make it? Is all we care about the Yankees or the Angels or do we actually enjoy the uncertainty and hence the excitment this wonderful game offers?
As a true fan of this game, and not of any particular team, or the state of ratings, its sad to see a majority of what could've been discerning fans of the game be so parochial & jingoistic and question the same system that we hold placards saying "Believe" when our team is participating.
Very sad.
And in all this unnecessary focus on how the regional favorites from the East or West coasts are absent, and hence calling the world series a non-starter, the true fan of the game in each of us is actually missing out on the true spirit and excitement of a well fought battle between two deserving teams - so what if they happen to be from STL or Detroit. It has all the makings of a great series.
May the real baseball fans please stand up!Plain arrogant.
"Forgotten by everybody", huh? Does everybody live in New York now? It must be so, as the assumption seems to be that everyone wants to see the Mets and/or the Yankees in the World Series. Truth be told, it doesn't seem to bother anyone else to see no New York teams in the Series. Feel free to sit at home and sulk because you don't have it your way this year; and those of us "chippy" people in the Midwest will enjoy the games.Slow news day? Of course. All the newsworthy teams were eliminated.Yanks 0-2 againt the California/LA/Anaheim/California/LAof Anaheim Angels...those series are history...do you really wan to get into a baseball history lesson with a Yankee fan? This is the only franchise that considers a postseason streak of 12 years a disappointment because they've "only" won 4 WS in those 12 years. And yes, I know about the payroll. But last i checked, basbeall doesn't have a salary cap, and Artie Moreno ain't poor. The Royals are owned by Wal-Mart execand Nintendo owned (still might) the Mariners. Think those owners have some cash. It's the difference between wanting to win and turning a profit.
Everyone hates the Yanks, Duke, Notre Dame, the Red Wings...nobody hates the Cubs or Indians or Clippers....wonder why that is???HmmmmmThe Yanks are 0-2 against the California/LA/Anaheim/Whatever they're called this week Angels? Those series are history...do As an Angels fan, do you really want to get into baseball history with a Yanks fan?
The Yanks are the only franchise in sports that consider it disappointing to have been to the postseason 12 straight times and won "only" 4 championships in last 12 years. Braves North? Let the Braves win 3 more and then we'll chat. Oh, doesn't quite look like that will happen now does it.
I know, someone will bring up the payroll..last I checked, baseball doesn't have a salary cap, so Yanks are playing within the rules. Are they supposed to spend less to be "nice" to the other teams? Aso, Artie Moreno ain't exactly poor and scraping by...and while we're at it- the Royals are owned by a Wal-Mart exec, the Mariners were owned by Nintendo (still might be, not sure), Murdoch owned the Dodgers...think they couldnt afford a $200 million payroll?..in fact, Steinbrenner's personal wealth is probably at the bottom third of league owners. And he bought the team 30 yrs ago for what,$12 million, and now they're worth 1$ billion. I'd say that's just shrewd investing and good business sense. And the payroll is called putting profit and some personal wealth back into the field instead of the owners' pocket. Other owners should try it..the fans would love it.My friend and I have joked that one of the things that has killed our interest baseball in the past five years or so is that the media's coverage has been reduced to two teams - the Yankees - and whomever they are playing (or battling for a free agent with).
Boston - yeah, they are the Yankees main rival. And where Pedro and Damon were from before coming to NY.
Philly - The guys that gave us Abreau.
Detroit - that is where ex-Yankee Kenny Rogers plays.
St. Louis - that is where ex-Yankee Jeff Weaver pitches.
Pittsburgh - do they have a team?
So here we are again, the World Series is happening, and all we get is "Why have the Yankees gone a few years without winning?", "Will they fire Torre?", "Is A-Rod going to be traded?" ... and now "How are NY fans reacting to the world series since their teams aren't in it" - give me a break. No one cares (except of course for the self-important New Yorkers).I am so sick of reading what a sorry excuse for a Post Season this has been from all you New York based writers. All you sport writers (especially Heyman) need to stop crying about this Series being "the worst Series ever". Just because your own NY team didn't make it you go on rants on how the Series sucks. And what reasoning do you use...St Louis being an 83 win team. Get over it already, they stomped your precious Mets. And an other reason...the pitching has been really good. Yeah it has, isn't that what usually wins the World Series. So get off your high horse already and let everyone else in the world enjoy some good baseball by the two League Camps. And if you don't enjoy it go watch something else...I think the NBA preseason has started.I just read Jon Heyman's "Worst Series" article. Usually I find his writing quite revealing and objective. Since i live in Europe, I do rely on the sports writers at CNN/SI for news and comentaries about Baseball. I think that Mr. Heyman's evaluation of the WS is off mark; the WS has presented itself as a pitchers, series; pitching has been, quite frankly, dominant. It seems to be another one the facts that has made so many sports writers look like Soccer fans in their predictions about the WS. Mr. Heyman himself predicted the Tigers to win in 5 games. It is a pity that so many experts are throwing their sour grapes at the WS. Is good pitching to be complimented? It is not a small feat that batters like Pujols and the entire Motown Hackers have been kept in check by the pitchers; smudge or not.
Ok; the Tigers have, at times, looked litke little leaguers...But that was to be expected; it is a young an inexperienced ball club. It is not their fault that so many experts, yes they are experts, picked them as favourites. The fact is that we have the 2 best Baseball teams in America...If that is not good enough, just abolish the WS and crown as world champion the the team with percentage during the regular season...Baseball has always had a large degree of "unexpected"in it. That is why it resembles, more than any other sport, real life; that is why so many people consider it the American pastime; it is. And I tell you, I live in Holland since 1991 now; it is a Footbll (Soccer) country; they are great at it. But, to a Baseball lover, like me, a Football match looks like a bunch of chickens running around without their heads on..Well, they think Baseball is a lazy man's sport; but we know better..Right JL?this doesn't have much to do with the current post, but i wanted to vent a little about the other SI writers (Heyman, Verducci, and Donovan). I was just hoping JL could tell me if there was some type of contest going on between these guys about who can be the first to rain on these two franchises' parades. Why can't these guys let anyone just enjoy the games? Just because they can't get into the series or because niether coast can get into the series, does this mean that they have to do their uptmost to ensure that nobody that wants to can either? I mean what do they get out of it? Aren't we allowed to have some fun? I don't really expect you to approve this message, but thanks anyway.east coast biasDon't worry NY fans...once the series is over you'll once again hear all about what the Yankees will do in the offseason, as I'm sure that will be the front-running news on ESPN. Before you know it, it will be the 2007 season and you can watch the Yankees on ESPN every week, and the Yankees vs. the Red Sox seemingly every-other week. For now, just sit and chew on your sour grapes...Anon 4:42...
Don't even get me started on soccer. The only good thing to say about that sport is that it doesn't stop for commercials. And even then, don't you need a bathroom break every once in a while?
-- JLHere's a novel idea...get over it!
No one outside the New England area cares about the New York teams, the Boston teams, the insert your other teams name here!
We all cheer for our own teams, and we could care less if the Mets and Yankees are in it. Everyone else enjoys watching real baseball being played with real players who "weren't supposed to be here."
These guys become stars because of what they do in October, not because of what some writer said he thinks they might do. And not because of what they do in April.
Give me a Midwestern team where fans are loyal anyday. Don't tell me fans are great fans because they show up when their teams are winning and don't watch the World Series when their teams aren't in it.
Grab an ice cold bud and watch some real baseball!WOW, So many haters out there!! Just face it guys, without the Yankees baseball would not be the same...............SO DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.....LOSERS!!What time do the Yankees play tonight?Get over it new york. The world does not revolve around you or your times. The Yankees underachieved and the Mets choked. Move on.It is depressing when the entire media it seems is so centered on the idea that this is a horrible series because New York or Boston or Chicago etc. aren't in it. Further our idea of sports, so tarnished by this idea now that you need to be on the big team with a big star in order for it to be interesting at all.
So there isn't a high 'star-power' player! So there isn't a big name city. If you need all of those things in order to win a championship and be heralded for it then lets just shut down the other teams and make a league for Chicago and New York etc. Maybe we make the requirements something like, "must be willing to spend the GNP or a small third world country on players" and "must have a population over 2 million" or maybe even have an abundance of sports writers". If that is all that the World (and I do think it says World Series) is interested in then let's give them what they want.
And to the media I say this.... Isn't it your job to find something interesting to write about for the world series. The media can play a huge factor in how anything is perceived and all we hear is this is awful because this... or this... Because I live in New York and they didn't play well enough, or weren't lucky enough or whatever. Either be a New York or Boston fan or whatever and don't comment on the world series or be a baseball fan and do your job."Posted: 8:24 AM, October 26, 2006 by Anonymous
WOW, So many haters out there!! Just face it guys, without the Yankees baseball would not be the same...............SO DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.....LOSERS!!"
You have managed to turn things upside down...What would you be talking about if it wasn't for Baseball? I love new York, but you are a real jerk:(What the heck is wrong with SI? Not only are they dunning the MNF team on ESPN (yeah, I'm sorry that ESPN is the premier sports news purveyor...why don't you stop complaining and get your head out of the Truman era, when SI actually had some good writers?); now they have to go and pour some more rain on the World Series parade. Grow up, spoiled New Yorkers. I don't give a rip about how NYC is so sad that none of their $150+ million payroll teams made it to the World Series. Suck it up. And will you tell Tom V to get off his freaking high horse about Kenny Rogers? Hello, Whitey Ford also used "illegal substances." I'd bet that 95% of pitchers in the HOF used something illegal at some point in their careers. (Which is NOT the same as altering body chemistry.)
I seem to remember that when the Giants and Angels were playing, you didn't hear anything from the East Coast biased media either--and I'm sorry, if you can't enjoy baseball, whether it be T-ball, college, rookie league, spring training, or the post season: what the heck are you doing writing about it for a national publication? I'm so fed up with the East Coast (read: NYC) bias.JL, they do as the cyclist in the Tour De France...they pee in their pants...I was pulling for the Tigers and Cardinals to advance to the World Series so I could watch the media and fans on both coasts whine about it.When is A-Rod signing up for those flying lessons over North Korea?It's really sad that there's a World Series being played and all you guys are still thinki8ng about is New York. WTF cares what NY fans think about anything right now?I'm a Mets fan, and I really can't understand what myself and fellow Mets fans have done to offend people so much.
Is it just that since they play in a media center of the country that they get a large amount of national exposure? Not a fan's fault.
Is it that they have a top-5 payroll? Adjust that for NYC's cost of living and it's nowhere near top-5.
Is it that they have such a successful team that is keeping "more deserving" teams out of the playoffs year after year? Regretably, I don't think you can lump the Mets with the Yankees on that one.
Also, I saw this article as a sarcastic knock on New York fans, not an article sympathizing for New York fans, which other commenters seem to make it out to be.The world series is something the whole country can get into to. So why write about the poor NY fans. Is NY the center of the universe? Give me a break....We're already to Game Four of the series. Get over yourselves already. Give me a break....So you're either a Yankee or Mets fan. Do the rest of us have to be Big Apple fans, too? . . .Hey,..forget 'House'. Since the game got rained out last night, you could have grabbed your box of Kleenexes and got your hometown fix by watching "CSI-NY".....83 WINS gets you a championship i think the METS will take that next year.
The Cardinals played better and the Mets $uperstar is still waiting to swink.
I am a big Met fan and very disappointed to lose to a Minor League team.So far this has been the lowest rated World Series in history ... It ain't just New York that's turning out. Cheating has been the main point of interest. There is no real story line that might capture people's attention, ie. 2004 Bosox go for their first title in eight decades, White Sox do the same.
And St. Louis fans have to stop acting like they're some thrift shop operation. The Cardinals have one of the highest payrolls in baseball and few of their everyday players are homegrown. Imports include (Rolen, Edmunds, Eckstein, Belliard, Spezio, Encarnacion, most of the starting pitchers and Izzy.)Would it be too much of trouble for New York fans to ask for refunds? Combinded, the Mets and Yankees owe their fans over $300 million dollars for failing to reach the World Series, let alone win it. Their fans are apparently in just such shock and dissapointment that those millions aren't be spread over all of October, instead of just the first half of the month.
Maybe, just maybe, this will teach the money pigs to stop wasting money on these so called great players, (players who get paid a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS automatically become Hall of Famers these days despite total like of true baseball skills.) and invest in some young rookies who still have a passion for the game. Hopefully there is a provision in this new labor agreement that forces teams that feel that the only way to win the World Series is to throw money at it, to give fans their money back because why should anyone pay $50 to watch a team that didn't win the championship.OK - well as a lifelong Mets and baseball fan living in NY - why dont you go ahead and quiz me on this years World Series and see how I represent those NY fans who cant even follow the series now as you say!? Should I mention the fact that the half fence down the right field line in St Louis kills most chances of a triple by eating anything over 2 feet? Or that Jeff Suppan is the key to the Series - just as he was versus the Mets? How about the astonishing oh for 34 with the .000 OBP of the Tigers top three batters? Zumayas lack of control or effectiveness in game 3? Maybe one more little trinket for you west coast guys... since you are so astute anyway with your baseball: most of these games on the East Coast which start around 8:30 are finishing near or after midnight. How many Dads / kids are staying up late on work / school nights to watch ho hum teams and a series with no juice other than - as the article says - RAIN and SPIT (ie Rogers substance). Speaking of which - does ANYONE recall what an ass he made of himself in attacking the interviewer last year...? The embarassment he caused by ending the 1999 season for the mets by walking home the winning run to the Braves, or the from the likliehood that his temperment on the mound and off these last two years has been caused by something other than intensity or pine tar? Lets see... throwing 87-88 as a 20 and 30 something year old. Then at 40 he suddenly throw 93+ and has a crazed look / attitude about him. What could POSSIBLY have caused that. Guesses? I have one or two. But I digress. Why should I care anyway - its not like he is on our Mets or even our Yankees anymore.
Heres hoping there is enough material for you to scribe an article on a baseball game tomorrow instead of this type of babble.Sorry, I know this is off-topic, but I have to correct the poster who said that Tour de France riders pee their pants. They do not. They pull off the side of the road and while still straddling their bikes they stretch down the front of their shorts and pee right there. If you watch the TDF coverage, you can see this happen a couple of times per race. The cameras cut away as soon as they realize what is happening, but you can tell what is going on before they do.
Now, back to NY-biased baseball discussion...The regular season doesn't matter. The city shouldn't matter. Be a baseball fan and watch the game to enjoy baseball.I just saw the forecast for today and tomorrw...RAIN in St. Louis! I would suggest, for the sake of Baseball Writers'sanity, that we move this series to a neutral and sunny area. Let's go to Habana! The doors are open; all we need to do is ask:)Come on people, wise up. New York is the most populous and dynamic city in the US. The "New York, New York" headline can attract more hits than one about any other city or any other topic on a day filled with rain. There are Yankees fans enjoying the World Series; I'm one of them.Ok Mr. Selig and FOX Executives, what have you done with Jacob? I know you wrote that article Bud, because you love your Yankees and Mets. You are so dismayed that anyone else could be in your World Series. I mean could a sportswriter from the East Coast really write that trash? I don't think there's really and East Coast bias, but then again President Bush thinks things are going well in Iraq. Let him go BUD!Well all i know is, Kenny Rogers is a cheater...that ain't no dirt, i know what dirt looks like and that ain't no dirt. yall just mad we got the money to spend and you don't. yeah the Yanks blew it again, but how often do you see the Cards and Tigers make it to the playoffs? St Louis is only famous because of Nelly and the St Lunatics and Detriot's Eminem. Those are the only you're famous for. hmm what world series? i think i'd rather watch poker!Heyman, Verducci & Donovan: To bad no east coast teams are playing but the Mets lost to the CARDINALS and the Yankees lost to the TIGERS. Get over it and enjoy a World Series between two baseball crazy cities with the games top managers and no New York media garbage. I've lost respect for you three as baseball writers!6) New York fans can appreciate staying warm and dry during late October.
The idea of just giving the championship to the team with the best record at the end of the regular season instead of having playoffs is interesting. That would prevent the Cardinals from winning it this year.
Oh, but it would have given them the titles in 2004 and 2005. Should they win two more - better late than never?I am a Yanks fan but I didn't ask for this article to be written and I'm obviously not the only one reading about it since you all are posting about it!! The author knows NY'ers will read it and NY haters will read it which covers about 280 million of the 300 million in the US. Pretty stupid of him huh?
This is what it comes down to. The World Series is great when your team is in it. When it's not it sucks if your a true fan of your team because you want so desparetly for them to be in there and win. Every team has certain players, coaches and stories to root hard for.. (Mattingly, great baseball player who everyone respects w/o a ring).
Detroit beat us and the Yanks played like garbage. Nuttin more and Nuttin less.
Now the one thing I can say is this. All you People complaining
about NY and how the Subway series was boring then why were the ratings so great? Because NY was watching that's why. Why is it when the Yanks are in the ratings are better? Because we are watching our team play! So Detroit is in it for the first time in a couple decades and St. Louis hasn't won for many years and the ratings SUCK!! I guess it's true that their is no sports fan like the NY fan. GO WATCH YOUR TEAMS PLAY AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT NY. We don't care what you think because we'll be back in the postseason next year while you all will be waiting another 20 years.Don't think for a secod we give a crap what the coasts are wathching or doing during this world series!!! Our CARDINALS are playing for win #10 only behind New York and that is what we want and will be attentive to. It doesn't have to matter to anyone else but us!!!!! Screw MLB---LONG LIVE THE "small" market success!!!!!Know what's funny? $200 million losers. Oh how I laugh.They are playing the World Series? Sorry folks, season ended when the Mets lost. For the 46 people and the nursing home in Northwestern Missouri watching this weeklong exhibition between two flyover teams that backdoored it into the postseason...enjoy.You're all a bunch of sissy mary whiners. First it was whining about the yankees payroll, now it's about New York in general. Just goes to show what Republican in-breeding has done for middle america.Maybe if you NY fans throw more batteries your teams will advance further into the post season.It would probably do the New York teams good to actually not make the playoffs for the next, oh, say fifteen years. It seems that New York fans, players, and owners alike (crazy George) think it is their right to go to the World Series every year. That's why, when they don't, somebody cheated, or some scapegoat Yankee let them down.
As far as interest being down, I think it has nothing to do with which teams are playing. It has to do with Major League Baseball itself. As this corporate monster continues to squeeze licensing fees out of faithful fans, as they dismantle fan websites, as they demand payment for every mention of any team, they lose us.
When I watch "interim" commissioner Bud Seelig and dictator-for-life Don Fehr pat each other on the back, I realize they are both smug and satisfied with the way things are. Meanwhile, it is cheaper to visit an emergency room in a hospital than it is for a family of four to attend a baseball game (if they want to eat, or drink 5 dollar water). Games are never played in the daytime, and we have to watch Viagra ads projected on Wrigley's big wall behind the batter.
I've loved the game all my life, but Major League Baseball (R) looks less like America's pastime all the time.
In the meantime, I thought the St Louis/Detroit matchup would bring back memories of the last dynamic series they had. It hasn't.Do all of us New York fans a favor and stop being a lazy sportwriter and please stop writing about us. No one else cares and you are just making fans elsewhere hate us even more. Of course people in New York are going to cringe anytime you are close to them, you look like you will appear in the next "Dateline, To Catch a Predator" episode.Most of you cannot take a joke or realize that one's being spelled out for you. Clearly this article was written "tongue in cheek"! It is poking fun at the fact that NY'ers feel that the WS is not worthy of the title without its team in it. SO NY'ers have to figure out what to do with themselves....Any real baseball fan (like myself who also happens to be a die hard Yankee fan) is watching the WS.
ALso, there are a million artciles written about the WS games and there palyers and the action that takes place. So if a few writers also want to express their creative side by coming up with some "off the wall" satire or some other creative writing (not to mentiont he fact that the game was rained out so there was nothing else to write about).
If you don't like the subject of the article! DON'T FREAKIN' READ IT!
Enjoy your WS and stop worrying about whatever "bias" you think is out there (there's more writiers on the 2 coasts, hence there's going to be more articles written).
BTW, agree with all the other comments made about owners of certain teams not spending their cash to create a "worthy" product. The Yankees, Mets, Sox, etc give more in revenue sharing than some teams spend on payroll!! That just ain't right!Poor Yankees and Mets they didn't make it. To bad so sad suckers. Yeah who cares what New York fans have to say about the World Series. There is more teams and cities out there, the heck with the Yanks and East Coast Bias.....Jeez, you non-new yorkers sure are a whiny bunch. The article was written BY a new york writer FOR new york fans. Brush up on your reading comprehension skills and stop the automatic "oh noes! somebody's talking about new york again..what about me!" nonsense. Complain about new york being arrogant all you want, your own inferiority complex is just as much to blame.As someone proud to say she lives in New York City, I find the snide comments about New Yorkers, New York, the Mets and the Yankees pretty amusing.
The stereotypes people are throwing out make me realize why it is that I love living here--it would be nice if people could talk about sports without letting their narrow-mindedness get in the way.
New York has big money teams--hence, big money players, and big money attention, perpetuated by the media. Perhaps when you complain about the biased coverage, you should write to your local/national newspaper instead of thinking that all New Yorkers believe they're at the center of the universe.
By the way, Anonymous, the Mets did not choke - they busted their butts all season--without all the dramatics, fanfare and pomposity of many other teams in the major league--and were plain beaten in Game 7. Every guy out there--from Oliver Perez to Endy Chavez--played their hearts out.
I was there, and I couldn't be prouder of them.Well I am a huge Yankee fan, born and bred like my family before me. But it is baseball in general I love. And for me this Series is just fine. The Mets vs. Cardinals series was nailing biting until the end. And I think this one will be too. I don't understand why there are so many Yankee haters out there. Hey I grew up in the 80's, during the years when they were never even close to contention. So let's watch some ball, afterall these guys outplayed every other team to get here.A curse will be placed on the New York Yankees. It will be a long long time before they win a WS again. Voodooo on the Yankeeswho is the moron who suggested that Bud Selig would prefer an all NY World Series? Wake up, fella. I'm staring out my office window at the building the commish works in, and I promise you its nowhere near NYC.New York Fans should take stock of themselves this week. Look themselves in the mirror and ask why they are abusing last years MVP and a guy who had an above average year rather than the 2 men that deserve it. Big George and Cashman have not developed a pitching prospect in 20yrs and have relied on trading and overspending for the hottest name out there. The other 4 teams in the AL playoffs all have 2-3 homegrown pitching talents while the Yankees have 0. Theres a reason those teams (all of which would have beat your so called merderers row and cano) beat out your Yanks and Red sox. Its called an orginization for a reason!! Develope some talent please!!why don't all of you get a life and move onMaybe the Yankees coaching staff can use the time off by getting their eyes checked so they can better spot pine tar on Kenny Rogers' hand.Noo Yawk is out of the W.S. and I just LAUGH, and LAUGH, and LAUGH. Your whining is like tonic to me. It brings me pleasure and refreshment.
I'll let you in on a little secret. Lean in.
Closer
Closer
{there are more people in America who dont give a crap about Noo Yawk, than there is who do}
No go and have steinbrenner dry your eyes with his checkbook.Re Sean:
I agree. The Mets are not the same as the Yankees. I only hate the Mets for 1 reason: I'm a Braves fan.I suppose it's the "in" thing to bash Yankees fans. As a life long Mets fan I can certainly understand this.
Why the Mets are being lumped in with the Yankees is beyond me though. Sit and watch a few Mets games. Watch Jose Reyes play the game. Watch La Doca. Watch Wright. These are all young players that seem to actually (*gasp*) enjoy the game! It's not fair to compare them to A-Rod, Jeter or Giambi. I saw Reyes with a smile on his face, enjoying the game during the darkest moments of the NLCS. Contrast that to A-Rod trying to smack the ball out of Arroyo's hand.
Hate New York all you want. But comparing Mets fans to Yankees fans isn't fair. We are heartbroken by our defeat in the NCLS and proud that our team managed to accomplish so much. We aren't angry that we "only" made it to the NCLS like the fans in the Bronx.As a true Mets fan, I was deeply saddened when the Mets lost to the Cardinals. I am still watching the World Series, even rooting for the Cardinals to beat the Tigers to show the NL isn't as bad as most people think. To soften my blow, I still have Giants to watch in football. One of the greatest days in my life was when they came back to beat Filthadelphia, Eli to Burress, TOUCHDOWN!. In addition, Rutgers is 7-0 and is restoring some Jersey pride. There is also the Nets and Devils who should contend for both titles in the respected sports. I know its hard, but do not feel bad for us. I believe there are some open applications to be a Mets fan. Apply now because the bandwagon is almost full!120 million people care huh? Sure shows it in the ratings lol...Enjoy your pathetic series.whine whine whine & you call yourselves baseball fans...dont watch the super bowl either you poseursI came home late from work last night and my roomate said, "The game is rained out tonight." I gave him the deer in headlights look for about 10 seconds before I realized he was talking about the World Series. Yawn....Heyman,
Oh waaah! What a baby. Quit being such a New York homer. The pitching in this series has been outstanding. BTW it seems to me that it was raining in New York when the Cards dumped the Metropolitans.
FYI St. Louis and Detroit are not exactly fly over country. You should get out more. Really.Sean, 11:56, and Timothy -- You are right - the only thing that the Yanks and Mets have in common is the same city (sort of) and the same media market.
As a middle America type, I can't even recall who owns the Mets (I only knew about Mrs. Payson). Steinbrenner, on the other hand, has done more damage to Major League Baseball than any other one person. He was the first person to pay over a million a year for a pitcher with a losing record and an ERA over 4.00. His continual flashing of money, his need to buy talent rather than raising it himself (who has come up through the Yankee farm system? I don't know), and his need to wreck and ruin careers (a la Dave Winfield) is known to all. But he's still there.
I actually like the Mets. I just liked the Cards better. Now I like the Tigers even more.
Does everyone realize that the same year that Pete Rose got banned from baseball was also the year that Steinbrenner was slapped on the hands for trying to entrap one of his own players in gambling allegations? His offense was much worse. However, he was back in months; the all-time hit leader is still banned. Whatever you think about Rose, he was definitely better for baseball than King George.
It's always nice when people in New York and California have to realize that there are actually other cities that have major league baseball. I especially like it when some team whose whole payroll is less than what A-Rod is making actually goes further than the Yanks (or the Rangers, who coughed up that obscene salary). Poetic justice.
One last history lesson:
Seattle had 3 players: A-Rod, The Big Unit, and Ken Griffey. They never came close to a divisional title. Each year, they lost one of those superstars. Each year, they got better. The first year they were without all three, they had the best record in baseball. A-Rod went to Texas, which immediately bottomed out. When A-Rod went to New York, Texas immediately improved, and New York went south. Does anyone see a pattern?Wow. Mets fans and Yankees fans getting lumped together into one big group of "front runners". Funny, but couldn't be more wrong. Do your homework, people.
Silly midwesterners...when is Bud Selig going to have these two shells of world series teams escorted off the field and have the Yankees and Mets take the field for the real series?
it seems like the NBA is the only sport in which the actual best team seems to come through every year.
i guess the Midwest is happy. now if we can only get them to vote correctly...Easy there revrowdy. Good point on the rain, I almost slipped that by you. Have you been to St. Louis or Detroit? Maybe I'll take a trip there; any suggestions on things to do?or watch the damn world series like the rest of the nation's baseball fans do when their team loses out to new york.Good job JL, you probably got alot of people watching the World Series now to show they are true baseball fans and don't care that a East Coast Bias team is not in it. Well played.The Yankees never went south when they acquired A-Rod, they won the AL East. They way they played in the playoffs went south."(who has come up through the Yankee farm system? I don't know)"........you don't know? Try some people named Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Jorge Posada, Andy Petite, Robinson Cano, Wang....to name a few.It Should be noted that the New York rating for the Series is higher than the national average. So New York cares more thanthe rest of the country about the Series. We love our baseball in NY and we support it that is why the writers and networks care because in NYC we put our miney wher our mouths are. Maybe if you fans in other parts of the country supported your teams by watching or gasp show up at the ballpark, yopur teams would get the notice that you feel they deserve.It amazes me that even after a good two weeks have passed since the Yanks got eliminated the media and all the pathetic Yankee haters still focus on the Yankees...we Yankee fans are over it so why don't you all think about your own teams and their issues. For us Yankee fans we know that we'll be back next year in full force, re-loaded with pitching (see Hughes and that pitcher from Seibu Lions)...and guess what, our farm system is still producing TALENT (see Wong, Cano, Cabrera)...oh and then there's Hughes...our power pitching prospect coming soon to a stadium near you.Dominant pitching in the WS. Yeah, that stinks. Oh wait, weren't all the sportswriters crying as they watched Schilling pitch with a bloody sock? The poetry that came out of your mouths at the beautiful pitching performance. Oh well, East Coast teams need to beat inferior Midwest teams so that you guys can go back and tear up when writing about the greatness of Jeter and Reyes and Manny.If you want to watch old world series games, lets watch as the Boston Red Sox kicked the crap out of the Yankees!! Now that was a good game!! Cry somewhere else b/c New York teams can't cut it!
STL are the come back kings! STL all the way baby!!!Hey Yankee Fans, you can't consider international players part of your farm system. International players still go to the highest bidder, hence the more money you throw at them, the better chances you have at signing them. So take out Wong, Cano, and Cabrera!Hey flyover staters, shaddup!!!! I know you live in an insignificant area of this country and no one cares about you. Get over yourself. All you haters rippin on NYC are the same ones who I knock out of the way when I'm walking down the sidewalk. You all fall over yourselves to come here and clog the streets with your fat a$$es and ugly clothes. Don't hate on the greatest city in the world. Just submit to it before it destroys you!East Coast/West Coast bias is how MLB makes its money. You can continue to clamor that these flyover teams matter, but they don't. It's fueled by money/ratings. There is a reason why they continued to postopone the game before finally cancelling it last night...REVENUE! This World Series has the worst rating EVER thus far! I love baseball, but I also understand economics. Stopp crying and deal with it. Yes, I live in STL in case you were wondering."Maybe if you fans in other parts of the country supported your teams by watching or gasp show up at the ballpark, yopur teams would get the notice that you feel they deserve."
Shows that you have no grasp whatsoever of population, economics , television demographics and media coverage.
St. Louis is ranked #6 and Detriot #10 in percentage home attendance.
NY-AL is #7.
Maybe if the media didn't call it the worst series ever more casual fans would watch. Maybe if the media did their job correctly and stopped pandering to the big market teams more casual fans would be drawn in.
The Super Bowl is an event no matter who is playing. Why isn't the World Series the same? Partly because the media snubs their collective nose at the small market / underdog teams, creating dis-interest among casual fans, the largest swing demographic. Why would a casual fan tune in when all reports say, "don't bother."?this entire exchange proves what I've always thought...NY is the center of the universe..and all the rest of you are just angry. I'll go out to lunch now and have some sushi and do a little shopping on Fifth Ave...all of you just enjoy your Red Stated bliss...and congratulations on some team winning (who cares which one)...now get back to work before you're outsourced.Looks like the comments are more worth reading than the article...Whoa, this article touched a nerve. I have it both ways as a midwester whom follows the Cards but has lived in NYC the last 2.5 years and really likes it here.
I love my adopted hometown of St. Louis and I also am starting to really appreciate New York. The cities are so fundamentally different and quite beautiful and interesting in their own ways...
So as a mediation:
NYers: Stop telling the 'middle staters' that they are insignificant. It's simply not true and unfair to place a regional identity that is that narrow. And lots people resent the fact that the Yanks, Mets, and RSox can poach all our players because they have fatter wallets.
StLers: Don't bash the Mets guys. I love my Cards, but if the Mets are healthy they win this series 99 out of a 100 times. This is just a fluke thing. And really NY is a pretty sweet city. Can't get good southern/midwestern food and they walk too damn fast, but its okay...
Of course pick on the Yanks, because they really are the devil ;)
Cheers...To the 1:07 anonymous poster talking to the "flyovers." I couldn't have said anything to express it better. That's New York. By the way, did you even know we were talking about baseball?
It's not about the best hitters, pitchers, or coaching strategy. It's all about you, and no one else matters.
Thanks for making the point.Yeah, the Cardinals are awful, they've only averaged 96 wins in the last three seasons. They have only two of the last three pennants. They have only won 310 games in the last three years including the playoffs, I can't even believe these guys are on the field.Hey, to the person who said you can't get good southern/midwestern food in NYC. There is a BBQ joint on every corner of Manhattan. Try RUB on 23rd & 7th. Or Dinosaur BBQ or Brother Jimmys. NYC has the best food in all the world. Just try looking, its all out there for ya. And available 24/7.JL I guess you couldn’t go an entire week, seven whole days, with out one article devoted to New York. It would seem somewhere in your DNA is embedded East Coast Bias (ECB). That is fine that you share those loyalties but when the baseball has moved on to the middle of the country or even the west coast go where the story is. Oh, I guess you can’t, stuck in a New York state of mind.
Here is a little secret, you know Peter Gammons usually a great sports writer until he gets on his Red Sox banter. It was tolerated much like we tolerate that crazy uncle with all his drinking and wild war stories. He has a lot to offer so what if he has a little baggage. Here you are rooting for teams that have won the Series in the last 20 years. The teams STILL playing haven’t won in over 22 years. You pander to an audience that has tasted victory, felt the joys of going all the way, the elation of seeing your team mob the mound and hold up the World Series Trophy. Your great players got to answer the question: “You just won the World Series, what are you going to do now? I’m going to Disney World!” But I guess that isn’t enough. Is there some mandate on the sports department to mention New York or some team associated with them once every three stories? If there is please, let the rest of us know so we can be prepared better.
I find it funny that local New York media is comforting the fans with re-runs of past victories. Almost like an Alzheimer’s patient looking at old movies and photos to keep in touch with some morbid past realities. Real fans of baseball focus on the present. Last year, I endured a devastating post season on board a cruise ship full of Houston fans. Yet, I still followed the World Series I didn’t break out my 1982 highlight reel and cry in my Margarita. (I was on my mandated Honeymoon watching the World Series on Mexican television.) It was nice to predict a 4 game sweep and get it. Then JL you have the nerve to rate which ECB media had the better run of reruns. I guess some thought to the cancelled game and what that might mean to both teams or how it was handled by MLB would have been too much thought or work outside the five boroughs.
The rest of your thoughts on what to do now in New York are as pathetic as Carlos Beltran’s last at bat of the season. Voodoo dolls and pumpkin patches are fine if you are covering horror movies to watch on Halloween night. As for football I guess the 1st place St Louis Rams wouldn’t interest those with a severe case of ECB. Hey, I’ll give a shout out to my old Rutgers Alumni pal Mike Palacelli I am sure he is loving the season. Please dig deep inside your journalistic integrity and follow the rest of baseball back to the World Series.
Craig
P.S. Tom Verducci are you OK did it hurt real bad to give props to Chris Carpenter and the Cardinals? Thank you.
PLEASE FREE CRAIG THE CARD FAN FOR A GUEST COLUMNThere are more fans in Boston and New York than there are in St Louis or Toledo, thus more articles and attention, its called business. No one other than Billy Bob or Cleetus cares whats going on in the midwest.As far as fan loyalty, the rest of the country doesn't even come close.When the sox go and play pretty much anywhere other than New York, there are usually more of our fans than the hometown fans. Whens the last time you heard a Mariners chant at Fenway?You guys either are fair weather fans, or your stadiums don't have stables for your horses.What are you guys doing writing letters anyway? Don't you have a cow to milk or a cousin to date?Hey St Louis, All you guys need is that stupid "Rally Monkey" and you really are the Los Angeles Anaheim California Angels of Los Angeles Anaheim California.(or whatever they are called) Just where wear your stupid red shirts like you are at a high school football game thank god the Mets didn't have a healthy Pedro.
Now I actually will watch the World Series. To see you and that idiot Puljos lose!!!!!!!Craig,
Congrats on figuring out how to do paragraph breaks. There may be hope for you after all. I have to ask though: You scheduled your honeymoon during the World Series? There has to be a Man Law against that.
-- JLYeah, Sean 9:27, that's kind of how I looked at it as well. I'm certainly not a fan of how the sports writers have tried every turn and twist to dummy this WS down because the big market teams are not in it. I don't think a lot of Mets Fans can be lumped in with the Yankee Fans either, but a lot of these whiners keep posting about how no one cares about the World Series. Get a grip, no one outside of Detroit or St Louis might care, but for all of us fans of the sport (I also happen to be a Cards Fan) we are really enjoying this WS. It has turned out to be a real pitchers duel, and I NEVER would have thought the Cards could compete with ANYONE in a pitchers duel!!
Most NY Fans, and especially the Yankee Nation just need to suck it up, shut up, and wait for next year! Don't worry, your team will be all over the news every day until Spring Training, and your Multi Million Dollar Team will probably be right back in the thick of it again next year. Go Get a Life, oh, and GO CARDS!!! hehe"I find it funny that local New York media is comforting the fans with re-runs of past victories. Almost like an Alzheimer’s patient looking at old movies and photos to keep in touch with some morbid past realities. Real fans of baseball focus on the present. Last year, I endured a devastating post season on board a cruise ship full of Houston fans. Yet, I still followed the World Series I didn’t break out my 1982 highlight reel and cry in my Margarita. (I was on my mandated Honeymoon watching the World Series on Mexican television.) It was nice to predict a 4 game sweep and get it. Then JL you have the nerve to rate which ECB media had the better run of reruns. I guess some thought to the cancelled game and what that might mean to both teams or how it was handled by MLB would have been too much thought or work outside the five boroughs."
Hey stupid, the channels re-running old Yankee and Met games are owned by the Yankees and Mets!! Its their own channel stupid. Its got nothing to do with ECB. Its called reading comprehension Cletus. Give it a whirl sometime.Hey 1:51, seems my fat ass comment touched you deeply. Put down the chocolate and go for a run you big baby!Just to correct all the Mets fans out there who say there team isn't like the yankees...Wright/reyes/chaves, are comparable to jeter/williams/cano, they are homegrown talent who played large roles. Then the organization goes out and hand picks BIG names Floyd/Martinez/Delgado/Beltran...The two teams operate very similarly. that is why you are in teh same group, as well as the large payroll. I will not watch teh wrold series, The NY Rangers and Giants have my attention.kind of odd...no Yanks or Muts or any big market team and suddenly everyone is watching dancing with the stars.Well 2:19 -- I guess I was right. You still don't understand that we were talking about BASEBALL. That's what the guys are doing on the field in front of your seat when you're sitting there between beers and bathroom breaks.
It's what most of us are talking about. Have you heard of it?What's "Dancing With the Stars?"Hope all you NY fans can feel better after venting a bit. Maybe try going to see Cats or something to get your mind off this year's post season.yankees nation?I think some people are missing the joke. This is a pretty funny piece, and I say that as a die-hard Tigers fan living in New York. Look, the bottom line is baseball needs the Yankees because there’s a mystique and folks ACROSS THE COUNTRY tune in to root them on or root against them. The Evil Empire is entertaining, whichever side of the fence you’re on.
That said, being from Michigan I’m thrilled that the Yankees and Mets were knocked off by this Midwest teams. There is this nauseating “better-than-thou” disdain for the Midwest (“flyover country”?? … and, for the record, I’m hardly “chippy,” whatever the hell that means). So it feels good that two classy teams like St. Louis and Detroit (everyone on the organization except Kenny Rogers) at the top, and I enjoy all the whiny Yankee fans griping and inventing some pretty half-baked conspiracy theories as to why they lost, again. And I think before the whole pine-tar incident, a lot of the country was interested in this World Series and rooting on the Tigers.
But let’s be honest folks, as a Tigers fan and fan of baseball in general, this has been a BORING World Series. I find myself almost nodding on, and I was hanging on every pitch in the New York and Oakland series. Let’s hope the Tigers batters wake up tonight and give the viewers something to watch. Because I’m starting to miss House, too.Hey 2:41, did you wipe away those tears yet you whiner? Baseball was perfected in NYC, I don't need some sack of garbage who can't even run up a flight of stairs telling me anything. Now go get some lipo and try to pull your sad, depressing life together you loser.For the record no one from NY went to see Cats. That was there for all you retarded Midwestern tourists who can't think above a 5th grade level. For that matter you would never see a NYer in Times Square if it wasn't for having to bring you hicks there to "show you the sights". They opened a new Olive Garden there for all your dining needs by the way. Industrial sized plates of food for your industrial sized bodies.Just for reference, if it were not for the revenue sharing by the big market teams, most of the small market teams would be bankrupt. So quit whining about huge payrolls. The money spent trickles down and allows the smaller market teams to pay for their players and have some sort of parity.LOL.
Now THIS is something i can enjoy. I have something for the Mets and Yankee fans:
1. Get over your complex. Nobody cares about you guys. Thank god your teams got whipped in these playoffs, so we can all get on with our lives outside that NYC media.
2. While you're at it, you should get A-Job and David Wright bull's eyes, so you can all play darts with them.
3. You can all be happy at least ya took some silver home with Delgado and Jeter winning the Roberto Clemente and the "unfair" Hank Aaron awards.Thats just the problem 3:19. The small market owners aren't taking their share of the luxury tax $$ and improving the team. They are improving their personal wealth! They don't spend that dough on players at all. They just keep complaining and cashing the checks. The sad part is that these same teams that whine get their only sellouts when the Yanks come to town. No matter what these small market owners say, they want the Yanks to spend $200 mil every year. Hell, its an extra $8 mil they can put in their bank accounts. By the by, there is no auditing done as to how that money is spent. And the owners want to keep it that way.Thank you for the great comedy. I especially loved how those from New York were ripping on Midwesterners for missing the humor. Then going on to make broad generalizations like being fat and eating at Olive Garden. The exact person misses the joke made about New Yorkers going and watching Cats. If you are going to make ignorant, broad generalizations be able to take it when they come back.3:37: The Cards sold out every game this year.I am REALLY tired of you SI guys trashing the Cardinals and our city. Do you bother to mention that this team won 106 games and 100 games in the prior seasons? No. Do you highlight the positives and tell the world how this team has struggled with injury, yet overcome that and fought into this world series on the strength of will and fundamental skill? No. All you can do is say the Cardinals are a little better than average and that we don't deserve to be here. Then you even have the gaul to trash our new stadium that we are tremendously proud of. I'll give you a hint dipsticks, this isn't New York, we don't have Wall Street. This isn't LA either, we don't have Hollywood. This is a city with heart, character, and tremendous resolve. We have been working mightily to rebuild our city and bring it out of the throes of ignorance that the 50's - 70's brought. St. Louis is in many ways like our beloved Cardinals. Once great, fallen, and now becoming great again through sheer desire and determination. If you don't think the Card's need to be in the world series and you don't like St. Louis then why don't you go sit in an empty Yankee stadium while writing your next piece of trash for this magazine. I'm sure Steinbrenner will let you pay him to sit there all day if you like, he has to pay those astronomical salaries some how.
Give credit where it's due. When the Cardinals win this thing (and they can) your apologies will be expected.Hey stupid, who do you think goes to the Olive Garden in Times Square? And how do you know the person who wrote the stuff about Midwesterners being fat and eating at the Olive Garden is the same person that wrote that Midwesterners are missing the joke? Who is the ignorant one again? Yeah, its you.I am a fan of baseball first, second a Yankee fan. Think about those indian, royal, devil ray fans who raraly even make the playoffs. If you love the game get over it and get to the tv. Did you hear that dacing with the stars had better ratings than the world series. PATHETIC! This is the national pastime, get to televison and lets the support the bast game there is. It's been a very good series thus far. Play ball!If you claim never to go to Times Square, how do you know who eats at the Olive Garden? I am guessing an assumption on your part and not realizing the ignorance of that statement. Don't feel the need to clarify that New Yorkers don't go to Cats. The rest of us get it, just like we understand that all Midwesterners eat at Olive Garden. Unfortunately, you feel the need to clarify for everyone else to satisfy your own stupidity.Most ball players would prefer to play for the Cardinals than the Yankees or Mets. The tradition, the fan support, the quality of the organization and it is just a better baseball town. Yankee and Met fans boo thier own team. You can get that from the opposition why would you put up with it from your own fan base.
I prefer the midwest. I haven't been in Detroit for a game, but I would bet the atmosphere there is more like St. Louis than New York.
So turn off your sets New Yorkers who needs you.
P.S. To 2:07 who called Pujols and idiot, you don't know a great player and great person when you see one. He does more for people in one day than you could possibly due in your lifetime.Arguing over the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even though you think you won, you're still special.Can the comments please get back to baseball? The implied humor in the Special Olympics post is just insensitive and insulting to anyone affliated with a noble cause and event like the Special Olympics. Grow up. Leave those facing true challenges in their life out of your posts.All things aside, I don't really see the need to bash the Olive Garden. Who doesn't like their breadsticks? And a little known secret...I reckon ther are sum of them places in the Midwest that sell that ther reel sophistimicated-like feed that them ther high fallootin' New York slickers be eatin too.Thank goodness the Yankees or Mets aren't in it. It will be a more thrilling World Series without them. Get over it!!!! Cardinals beat the Mets and if you remember the Tigers beat the Yankees!! So quit whining. The Cardinals have the best fans and one of the best basefall franchise in the USA. Also, get your facts straight. Pujols was not himself because his Uncle had passed away. His uncle raised him. So don't read half the story read the whole story. This will be the best series ever!! You guys are sore loosers!!!at the end of the day cards and tigers fans, who cares about what the media and NY thinks? The point is by the end of the series either one of us will have a World Series celebration and they won't. So soak in the moment and enjoy the games and not worry about what other people think.
As for all the wonderful posters who have decided to label all of Missourians as republicans, go check your voting records. You'll find that we actually consider the candidates instead of just blindly picking them just because of party affiliation.You act like just because NY isn't in the series, it isn't important. It shows that you are not a true baseball fan.
Cardinals have more heart than the Yankees times ten. How about having a payroll of over 200 million, and getting paid to lay big eggs in the postseason?
God, I'm glad no NY team is in the playoffs... its better for American and the Game of Baseball.I love how this humor column has turned into a generic internet flamefest due solely the subject being New York baseball, and more specifically, the Yankees.
As a team, the Yankees and especially their fans get a bad rap in forums like this. But it isn't due to the Yankees legacy or payroll. It's due to the small percentage of Yankees fans that make the whole bunch look spoiled and rotten.
I'm an Angels fan. I have been ever since I was old enough to be any sort of fan. And while childhood wishes never need to be grounded in reality, as I grew up I knew I was loving a team that would never be successful. Hell, back in the 80's and 90's LA Clippers fans used to laugh at us for cheering on such a hopeless team. Then, in 2002, the unbelievable happened, and I watched as my Halos did what I never expected them to: They won a World Series.
But with that, I don't even come CLOSE to the mindset that each Angels season is a disappointment if they don't win a title. I'm happy for each success, and I still love 'em when they lose. But through that all, I don't for a SECOND think I'm better than any other baseball fan simply because of the team I root for, and that's what distinguishes me from the "bad" Yankees fan.
There are horrible fans all over sports. It's just due to the history and visibility of the Yankees that makes their fans stick out. Loving a Los Angeles area team, I see fans from every other team that come to town, and the Yankees fans I see are among the best. They love their team, and they put their hearts and souls into it more than most Angels fans I know. But the bad ones make everybody wearing a pinstriped jersey and "NY" hat in the bleacher seats look bad.
It's the sense of self-righteous entitlement these fans have that turn everybody against the Yankees and their fans, that ups the level of schadenfreude in people cheering for other teams. It's those who still chant "1918!" when the Red Sox are in town, ignoring the 2004 miracle Boston pulled off, that makes many people love to hate the Yanks. It's those who throw the number "26" into every team argument that makes people oh-so-quick to remind them of their failures recently. And it's their lack of respect for other clubs and fans around the Majors that makes me gleefully point out the ass whoopings the Angels handed them in the 2002 and 2005 ALDS. It just feels good to point out that the Yankees being 0-2 to the Angels in playoff series is like the Lakers being 0-2 to the Clippers.
Yes, I am Los Angeles Angels of Anahem/Anaheim Angels/California Angels/Los Angeles Angels fan. But above all, it is baseball I love. I'd rather see my team in the playoffs, but when they don't get there or they lose a series, it doesn't stop me from watching. It doesn't stop me from cheering for another team, even if that team is somebody I traditionally don't like when the Angels are in the picture. As a baseball fan, I recognize the legacy of the Yankees and know that, without them, MLB would be a much different animal. If not for the Yankees, the sport would not be as successful as it has been.
But that success has gone to the heads of a few of their fans, and as long as those fans come into forums like this with that sense of entitlement, I won't mind a bit if the Yankees continue to choke.
I apologize to the good, loyal Yankees fans out there, but the bad apples in your bunch need a dose of humility like the Red Sox, White Sox, and Cubs fans have had to endure for decades at a time. They need to learn that "26" is meaningless when it comes to what you've done this season.
Maybe then, if they show us fans of other teams some respect, the Yankees will get the respect from us they deserve.
http://thecaliforniateam.blogspot.com/EAST COAST RULES - NY Teams Dominate because they put the money back into their teams, not their owners pockets. If it wasn't for NY teams and revenue sharing, there would not even be any other baseball teams in the midwest or the south for that matter. Keep whining, but remember that it is still all about the BASEBALL, so appreciate while you can watch it because it is longggggg winter."Get over it new york. The world does not revolve around you or your times."
Actually, dude, it does.
That would explain why you're all so consistently bitter west of the Hudson.
As Ted Williams once said, "If you guys were any good, you'd be in New York."To the Cletus Commentator just a small note of logic for you... If, (and by if I mean since)those stations are both owned by the respective Yankee and Mets organizations and they are on television, (thus what us common folk know as Media)wouldn't that make them part of the east coast media? (Correct me folks if my geography is off...)Thus, making them the heart of the baseball ECB. But I know you were aching to get that inbred cletus comment out. GO CARDS!
Craig
FREE CRAIG THE CARDS FAN FOR A GUEST COLUMN.NY BB fans should put out a book, "1001 Ways to Prepare Crow".
MLB has major marketing problems. The naturally languid pace of baseball is a perfect fit for the dog days of summer, but watching the World Series in late October with 40-degree temperatures, ski-masked players and visible exhalations in the cold night air is simply perverse. Shorten the regular season (back to 154 games? 150?) and let's get this done by early Oct., and before the NFL gets too interesting and builds up too much momentum.
The games also take too long. All those interminable commercial breaks between innings and for every pitching change! Yeecch. Why do pitchers need eight warmup tosses before every inning? Why do relievers need eight when they come in? Let's reduce it to two pitches and get the game going! Commericial breaks between every half-inning should allow for plenty of ad time anyway.
Dodger Dave.People outside of NY dont get us Mets fans. We are a bitter angry minority. Imagine how much you hate the yankees and then imagine hearing about them all the time and your team never getting on the back page of the sports section lol. Anyway let's be honest people, baseball ratings will always tank when a east coast or west coast team is not in the world series. Most of the country lives on the coasts, it's simple numbers. That being said, I think the rain killed any momentum this world series had anyway.By the way Luft can you do me a favor and stop writing about NY, it annoys the Midwest. Hey guys I get it your psyched your teams made the world series, good for you. I don't care but good for you. I think Selig needs to balance the schedule so maybe baseball regains more of it's national identity. Also anyone who knocks NY as a sports town has never been there for Mets Yankees. It really is something else...Jacob Luft comes out as the only unscathed writer for cnnsi. The rest would have done better using a coin toss for each and every series this postseason. Chen, you are a moron. A special moron, who should be used as a foil, a counterexample, a Washington General to the real sports writers of America. Good job, dip. Cards up 3 to 1.
Oh...and Donovan-you're a dip as well. Good job FINALLY getting around to realizing how very wrong you've been, at least a little bit.To all those who were watching dancing with the stars or crying that NY wasn't in the 2006 world series, you just missed one of the best games of the year! Yea, there were some errors, and the field was wet, and the cardinals ace choked. But, the bottom line is this game, at 5-4 decided in the 8th, was downright exciting, and why I love this game.
GO CARDINALS!
DJ in St. LouisHere's an idea New York Fans/Media-GET OVER YOURSELVES! The world doesn't revolve around you. There are so many dedicated baseball fans all over our country, especially here in the midwest. We'll never get the respect we deserve, but who cares? You can talk cirles around yourselves while we are out here cheering our hearts out for our teams! GO CARDINALS!Yo Luft,
Wait until 2013 when the Blue Jays square off against the Royals in the ALCS and the Pirates and Rockies gun it out in the NLCS.
I mean, why even BOTHER to cover a sporting event that doesn't have a New York connection to it?
If everyone is so sure that Mets/Yankees are THE cure for low TV ratings in the Post-season, how about you guys lobby Da Commish to set up a special 7 Game "We Spent a Combined 350 Million Dollars And Couldn't Make the World Series" showdown between the Mets and Yanks each October?
I bet there would be more sportswriters covering THAT than would bother to show up to the World Series.
I mean really, to get your attention it has to be Mets/Yanks or as a slightly distasteful alternative a BoSox/Cubs Series.
Forget storied franchises with great Hall of Famers, two top managers, great baseball fans, improbable runs into the post-season, clutch pitching and all that.
Give me A-rod wiffing in late/close situations and the Big Unit being wheeled out on a gurney to chuck a couple of gofer balls to the opposition. Forget smart GM's that build tough franchises from top to bottom and give me a team that was so dependent on a pitcher named Pedro who's injury history is so "iffy" that a lot of people in the industry thoughts the Mets were NUTS to sign that deal, and another pitcher who popped his leg JOGGING in the outfield. Good depth there eh?
Ignore the series with some guys bidding for multiple championships in their careers, huge stars trying for their first championship and role players that play their freakin guts out every game.
We need more Gary "If Someone is only paying me 13 million, they're nuts if they think I'll play 1st base" Sheffield's in the World Series.
Let's see more of Jason "Steroid Boy" Giambi sweating like a steel worker on Meth while sitting on the bench between trips to the plate.
Man, you guys have it RIGHT. If it ain't New York, it ain't nowhere.
Well from the middle of "nowhere" let me speak for quite a few of us out here in "flyover" land. Keep your greasy, juiced, selfish, overpaid and incredibly overrated teams.
Instead of AL and NL, let's divide baseball into Red State vs Blue State and each side will ALWAYS have a team to root for and to root against in the World Series.
The Yanks aren't the "Evil Empire" they're just a little slice of an America that a good portion of the country doesn't recognize anymore or really care to be associated with.
And the Mets? Well don't you have to make the post-season more than once a decade to be a real powerhouse? I love fans that sit around and glorify a fluke WS win (a corpse could have fielded that Game 6 grounder in 86) like it was the point at which civilization was saved.
Us dumb hicks are liking the Series just fine, thank you very much.Once again the NY cry babies come out in full force! I love it! What's wrong? You pissed off because two midwest teams kicked your ass! Oh, I know, you couldn't buy a championship this year, again! Twiddle dee, twiddle dum, NY is not the center of the sports universe, regardless of how many idiotic sports writers live there. Every east coast sports writer predicted a 'Subway Series', everyone of them. Where are these so called idiots now? Nothing to write about, then shut up and let the rest of the world enjoy the World Series. I love it when you big babies throw a tantrum. Not enough money to control the rest of the universe, regardless of your ego's, NY sucks this year! Go Cardinals!!!!seriously....this article almost made me puke. You wonder why the rest of the country dislikes you. Here is where we get the last laugh. You yankees are so inept as baseball people lately you cant win with a half billion dollar payroll. That will help me sleep at night while you think of your next snide, rude and useless article to write....how about that?Hey New Yawkers.....run a few more quality pitchers out of town. We'll take them here in the "nobody cares" Midwest and trot them out next Post-season to kick the snot out of your Teams.
People talk about how the rest of MLB is just a "farm system" for the big money clubs. Sometimes I think that's backwards. Send us your "terrible" pitchers and watch those ERA's magically shrink.
Win/Lose we love the sport, respect the competition and appreciate fine play.
Stockpile a few more "sluggers" for next season and sit around dumbfounded as to WHY your teams can't seem to advance.
And if either New Yawk team spends big on Zito, well.........ya get what you pay for. Grind him up for two seasons then trade him somewhere for a used batting cage, he'll bury you in the post-season the next year.Luft, nice column. What a great omage to two teams who ate it this season. Seriously, you're an idiot.
- The Rest of the CountryWell, I don't know if anyone is going to scroll down far enough to read this but I don't really care.
First off lets look at why any of us are fans of their teams. Either we live near our team, or our dads (or our moms) liked that team, or we are frontrunners and that team was good when we started liking that team.
Im a Cardinals fan. I am because my dad was. He was because he loved baseball and because KMOX was the only station that he could get that carried baseball when he was growing up in western Iowa.
Heres my point. The people in New York are bored because their teams didn't make it to the World Series. In fact none of the "big market" teams made it. All that means is that the teams that made it didn't have the random chance of having the biggest fan bases in the country. They just played the best baseball. Get over it. Watch it if you want. Don't if you don't. I don't care and neither does most of the country. All I care about is that the team that I grew up loving, and my father before me, is about to win the World Series; everyone else be damned!!!New York always gets all the smoke blown up its ass, even though its extremely polluted, too crowded, ridiculously expensive, with shitty traffic and parking to boot
give the other guys a chance, Detroit and St. Louis- they have something you've lost.........heart and humilityOsama Bin Laden, for better or for worse, managed to unte Americans. CNN/SI Baseball writers are on the verge of creating a civil war....Where is the Patriot Act? Traitors ! I would call them! :-)Am I the only midwesterner who doesn't really care what New Yorkers think? I didn't even realize that there was some big whining session about the lack of their teams in the World Series until I read this article. I've been too busy enjoying my Cardinals finally become the team that they were predicted to be before the season started. Although reading these posts does confirm the notion that those in NYC are perhaps the most provincial people in the country. They really know very little about places outside their own backyard.After all is said and done, (and I think we're close on this one), our problem really is the entire playoff setup.
Why are less people watching this series? Because of which teams you have battling it out for the "World Championship."
In this corner, we have the "National League Champion," which won all of 83 games, good enough for fourth place in some divisions.
In the other corner, we have a team that finished second. It's always strange to have a "World Champion" that hasn't even won its own division. The Marlins, for example, have TWO World Championships, and no division championships.
The World Series is not about pitting the two best teams from six months of baseball against each other. It's about having a two-week playoff among teams that are currently on a "hot" streak.
Forget Yankees/Mets, or Dodgers and Padres, etc. It's not about media markets. It's about making six months of baseball insignificant, and glorifying a two-week system. It works in hockey, but it cheapens baseball.
What we need are three major leagues, and a round-robin championship to finish it off. And while we're at it, could we finish before the first blizzards come?*Yawn* - there's more fun on the weather channel then in this series.whining NYyankee fans.....
no wonder you don't get much support from the midwest and west coast.....you are soooo biased to
the NY east coast mentality!!
I wouldn't buy your lousy biased rag if it was the last sports mag on earth......
puke NY. puke again. you lost!!!!"Posted: 10:13 AM, October 27, 2006 by Anonymous
*Yawn* - there's more fun on the weather channel then in this series."
Thanks for reminding me to check the weather forecast for tonih=ght's game! Love you; suckaroo!If the people of NY and the media can't respect and enjoy the true spirit of the game of baseball just because they aren't in it, that says a lot. The Cardinals are rock solid and have been for years ... so what they finished with 83 wins they are still in the Series and up 3-1. They did survive the season with many injuries to key players, but still managed to make it to October. It is always NY NY NY....and that just gets so old. I love the city but when it comes to baseball fans you stink. I am going to guess Luft and Heyman never played a day of even t-ball. You can sit are type up stories while you treat you wounded finger tips from typing all the junk about NY baseball in the middle of the World Series that doesn't include the Yankees or the Mets.Well, I have to say that this was an intersting read. I agree with some who say the blog was better than the article. I also think that the article was written with tongue in cheek.
Having said that. I will state that I am a Cardinals fan. I am glued to the set every night and I have been reading SI comments, ESPN writers, and watching all of the "experts" and listening to their remarks some good some not so good/nice. I am a baseball fan and I have watched the WS for many years now. I would hate to miss a game, or a play that might be touted as the "greatest catch in history" or the "greatest play by a shortstop" or whatever. I still get chills when I remember Kirk Gibson getting that home run. Who doesn't that calls themselves a fan of the game.
I am proud that the team I support is in the series. I was as intense watching the Mets/Cardinals series as everyone in the stadium in New York. I cried when I saw the players lose. I wish (sorry I am a bit Pollyannish) there wasn't anyone who loses, as we all have faced that some time in our lives. However for there to be a winner, someone has to lose.
To coin a phrase "I live for this". There will be a next year for us to get charged up again, but right now I am enjoying the moments and the "underdog" status of the Cardinals. they didn't have the greatest record coming into it, and they did "almost" blow it in September. Somewhere to this point they have found the "winner" in themselves and are 1 game from being crowned the Champions for 2006. The glow will last for awhile and then we in the Midwest, East coast and West coast will be looking to Spring Training 2007 and wondering who will make it to the end.This is what I hate. Fans that care less about baseball but only about their team. If there was a mets yankees world series do you think anyone else cares? So if you are a baseball fan you watch. If you are a bandwagoner just wait till they change the tire, this year, next year, and every year until you get the idea.I love the postseason and I love the East Coast bias. The Cardinals although sneaking into the playoffs have stunned all of the so called experts. You NY's are just funny. The Yankee's lose and the step child Met's lost to the better team...go cardsThis isn't worth a front page post, please enough with the Coastal bias. These are two of the more storied teams in baseball and both at this point have proven they deserve to be there. Cardinal fans in particular stretch halfway across the country...so who cares about this series...well a lot of people...accept that and start enjoying the games.What's really funny is that SI.com publishes an editorial (ie.THE AUTHORS OPINION) on how New Yorkers feel about the series and all yahoos around the nation take it not only as fact but as an excuse to trash NYC. Losers. Now, I don't care if you like my city or not, perferably you don't as I'm sick of tourist, but this is one sports writer's impression of the series. Last I heard, he doesn't speak for the 8 million New Yorkers. Oh, just so we're clear, this is the lowest rated series ever, apparently not much of the nation is watching it. Don't blame New Yorkers for the rest of the nation's lack of interest for that.Oh my gosh! The response from this article is incredible! JL, I bet you got a promotion out of this one (although I fail to see how most color you a NY lover just because you work there and chose to poke fun at its fans). Some of you guys (no - most of you) are so sensitive it's ridiculous. Yeah I'm a Yankees fan (evil music and thunder bolt crack) and I was hurting behind this latest crash. Talk about potential out the ying-yang. And what a story line - Murderer's Row & Cano. What a joke! Just goes to show you that you can't buy a thing with potential... But this article has really helped me to just laugh at it all (as I'm sure ALL of SI's writers are doing now reading your comments). So much hostility... So much testoterone... So much estrogin (did I spell that like a Midwesterner or a New Yorker)...
Hey JL can I copyright this article and it's spawned remarks and sell the rights to Hollywood? I see about 10 different story lines I could turn into blockbuster comedies! Nice "pot stirring", JL. You finger-pointing, sensitive, reader types - you guys need to lighten up. Get a pedicure or something. Goodness!
BTW, I've been pulling for the Cards. It's a miracle they got this far. I applaud Detroit for an incredible season. Good for baseball? I guess. But doesn't their success take away all the excuses that small market teams have? Hmmm. And are the TV ratings really declining or is that some conspiracy theory. I'm glad to see the Cards and a "new" team make it to the series. But let's face it - so far the series has been a dud. One late-inning comeback; one poop-hand controversy, few home runs and don't forget Jeff Weaver MLBD - Mr. "21st Century's Most Laid-Back Dude (or is that dud). I'm glad for you midwesterners and I'm not going to put you down. I think as a whole, Cardinal fans are among the most gracious and supportive. And you New Yorkers can come on a little strong (just a little though, right? Right). But this would be a much better series if two different teams were playing: the pre-All Star break Cardinals vs the pre-All Star break Tigers. Now that would be a series for the ages.who says that without the yankees there would be no baseball. you semm to forget that the Cincinnati Reds were the first professional baseball team. yet when was the last decade that anyone even remembered that Cincinati had a team. if they did remember, they sure haven't shown it. ESPN's Joe Morgan played for the Reds, yet ESPN never seems to remember that the Reds really do play 162 games a year. that is the same for any team in a western division, all teams in the central divisions(except occasionally the Cardinals), and all the eastern teams except New York and Boston. Unless you play the AL East division a lot, you can forget about being on national tv. (if you meant baseball wouldn't be the same without the Yankees, you're right. it would be a heck of a lot better without them. no more Sheffield's complaining that they were only offered 13 mil. this has spread out to all other major sports, and now since all athletes are rich, many of them seem to think that they are on top of the world. so baseball, as well as every other pro sport, would be better if it weren't for the yankees and George Steinbrener.)Wow! JL, i think this column was a "flüke"....Just like the Cardinals....Right? Cheers!!!!
But were is the game 4 report card?when your town can win more than 28 combined championships, then come "tawk" to use.
In the meantime, congrats to Saint Louis, World Series Chumps.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...Man I hope there's a Subway Series the next four years just to piss the rest of America off!A Subway Series? leave it to New Yorkers to come up with silly phrases like that...As far as I know there has been, and always wil be, a sries of subways running around NYC...Eat some pie. man!hahahahahahahha!!!Hell I can give you a 100 things to do Instead of reading these classless meatheads columns about baseball. In Cardinals country we do not recognize sportswriters that know less than the little old ladies here listening to the game on a transistor radio.Cardinals are champions and your a know nothing chump!!!!Leave the baseball analysis to the experts.Whaaaaa NY didn't win. Let's talk about NY anyway because I have nothing useful to contribute about baseball.Jacob, with all this jealousy and hate for NY, the whole "East Coast Bias" thing has been taken to another level with these comments. I think you're gonna have to hand out a lot of snacks, if only to placate all these plump mid-Westerners.
NYC is awesome and the center of the known universe, and you all know it.Boo hoo, no NY WS baseball. I'll send you a memo when I give a damn. That's what you get after shoving NY down our throats for years. Way to go Cards.It seems strange to me that the Cardinals are labeled a fluke when they have had the most wins in baseball over the last three years. Injuires probably cost them 10 wins this year. When almost healthly in playoffs ,they mowed down the opposition in two series and won a close nlcs over a team with best record this year. That isn't flukie. It is a good team playing better when it counts! The mariners winning 116 games a few years back and the red sox winning a world series once a century are flukes!!Even when NY isn't involved, the people on this board feel a need to write about us.
To the person who wrote that 120 million people were thrilled that neither NY team was involved, where are you? This is the worst rated WS of all time. I guess you're so happy that you decided not to watch.Those NY Teams you refer to both got their butts kicked. They had very good, but overrated stars that melted in the October chill. You cannot buy a championship. Heart isn't for sale. Let's stick to facts. The Cardinals are proud and forver Champions.WOW New York is the whiniest town in the country - you don't deserve the World Series, you have to earn it. And until your teams can hack it, stop complaining and let other people enjoy watching their teams win for once.I cannot stand any of you east/west coast biased reporters. I am so sick of ESPN, CNN/SI, etc. The only stories you get are about the big coast market teams. To hell with your worst series articles. Personally I do not care one bit if the only people tuned in to watch it were the St. Louis and Detroit markets. I AM SOOOOO GLAD NO NEW YORK/CALIFORNIA TEAMS MADE IT TO THE SERIES.Actually, the Cardinals make the playoffs basically every year genius. I know no one will know who this is for since this isn't a real message board and everyond is "Anonymous." But I had to say that.3:43:
You are so right. All they talk about is "83 wins." What about the fact that the Cardinals have more wins over the last 5 years than any other team in baseball? Does anyone bother to mention that?
No, of course not.To all the NYer's bashing THE 2006 WORLD CHAMPION ST. LOUIS CARDINALS, chew on this!
The Cardinals are now 4-2 against New York in post season play.
What is there to do out here in the wilderness? I'm going to the parade Sunday. Eat your hearts out...ok for one thing any st louis fan...ya your team won the world series congrats. It wont happen again for a long time. Everything went right for you... 1.The padres cant hit a ball if their life depended on it. 2.The best team hands down in the national league the METS were missing their numbers 1 and 3 pitchers and then lost trachsel too. if they had them they would have won that game in at least 5. 3.The tigers showed that they are young and made rookie mistakes. . New york should be the teams talked about they were the real mlb teams this year.200 Million dollar payroll! And All-Star team Line up and the Yanks are sitting at home. I love it. Suckers!1 Who has the best record head to head in the World Series between the Cardinals and the Yankees? No one wants to talk about that huh. I'd like the Eastern (seaboard) Sports Promotional Network to talk about that!!!What's with your obsession with NY teams, Jacob? It's not like we're the only city that won't be watching, look at the ratings. So what our teams have their own networks? It's not like the Dodgers or Angels are welfare queens. I'd like to use this platform to congratulate the St. Louis Cardinals for winning the WS. Though I'm bitter, I feel very vindicative that with all the grief the NL got, that the Cardinals won. I hated the Subway Series as a fan, by the way. Yankees fans giving me grief that whole week was something I never want to go through again and iT's just so Yankee-like to show that series on YES. Atleast on SNY we've been watching all things 1986.The cardinals are the best team in baseball - right! Looks like Bud Selig finally got his dream of uber parity so now we can have clubs barely playing 500 be crowned world champs. Hate the Yankees if you want but they have fans everywhere and they don't bus them in like the Red Sox. So keep up with your revenue sharing welfare and you will have world seriew as boring as the most super bowl. We are used to the venom that comes our way in New York - it goes with the territory when you are number one. People come to new york to make it, not the mid west, enough said.It is not that the World Series or the participants left anything to be desired, it was the sportswriters covering it. The entire SI and ESPN baseball staffs should be summarily fired. This includes Jayson "Eckstein is the worst free agent signing of '05" Starck. Bill Davidson, this idiot Keith Law, Luft et al. It was the worst coverage in history! Clean house.Now that baseball season is over, I guess all of the sportswriters that slammed the Cardinals and this years World Series matchups can go back to their reporting jobs for The National Enquirer and Star, where their writing may gain more credibility.Please include that idiot Bob Nightengale of USA today, Bill Simmons of ESPN and Ken Davidoff of Newsday. Noone wil ever take these clowns and anything they have to say about baseball seriously again.Baseball is played in more places than New York .... in case you missed that news flash. I am a lifelong Cardinals fan. I am also a Yankees fan ... a Tigers fan ... Braves fan , etc. New Yorkers love their teams and they love them to win and they hate them to lose. So this makes them different how ? ...... As a cardinals fan i have enjoyed more playoff teams than any other franchise with the exception of the yankees. I believe the Yankees are truly loved well beyond New York (thank you George Herman "The Babe" Ruth). Go ahead .... be mad when your team loses .... your passion for your team is what makes great sports fans. Writers are subject to a different standard. We have a right to expect them to be at least somewhat objective. Even when they are not .... some leeway should be given here too .... after all .... sports writers can be fans too. The frustration outside of New York is not with the fans of New York .... we love you guys too ... and we love the competition. 9-11 showed how much we all love you in New York .... we still want our teams to beat the crap out of you though. As for the writers ... please learn to give credit where credit is due .... ST. Louis and Detroit played in the World Series because they both DEFEATED the teams from New York. Congrats to the CARDS ... 2006 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!!!!!I'm a Yankees fan and don't understand why you would care what I think. I'm a fan in the same way that Royals or Pirates or Red Sox fans are. I'm happy when we win, and find something else to do when we lose. So what. The Yankees gave us six great months. The moment I stop enjoying that is the moment I have to wonder what I am getting from my love of baseball.It's not always about New York. Why does an international website greenlight an article just about New Yorkers? There are a lot of people in this country that don't care about New York, and frankly are starting to hate how self-centered you guys are.Hey I see that you New Yorkers like apples instead of being in World Series (I hope you are reading Mets fans) and winning Titles.
Here in St. Louis, we always would love the World Series no matter who is in it because we love Baseball and you New Yorkers do not.
We are Champions, you New Yorkers are not, How do you like them apples?
The Mets are Pond Scum.
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The City of St. LouisSadly, most NY fans fancy themselves as afficianados, but few of them really know the game and its history. Why isn't there more respect for the Cardinals-Tigers World Series? These are the teams that gave us Ty Cobb and Stan Musial. Some of you 'baseball experts' out there probably don't even know who who Stan Musial is!! And StL has won 10 World Series (first among NL teams).
Another point is the culture of the Detroit and StL. Folks, for the last time, the Midwest is not some cultural backwater with rolls of hay and bluegrass music blaring from the porches (although StL did provide the great John Hartford). Motown put out a LOT more soul music than NY or LA ever will, and Miles Davis, Redd Foxx, Chuck Berry all call(ed) STL their home.
Finally, if the number of fans is truly relvant, than the return of the Cardinals should be celebrated as their following is huge.
The Cardinals were the western- and southernmost MLB team until the late 1950s. Consequently their fans are everywhere.
If these self-centered NY fans want to be taken seriously they should know the playing histories of Sam Crawford, Rogers Hornsby, Lou Brock, etc, just like we all know who Joe Dimaggio was (who, like Micky Mantle, was an inferior player to Musial - don't believe me? Check the stats!)Perhaps there would be less attention given to New York teams if all of you from else where weren't spending so much time telling us how you don't want to hear about the Yankees. ...the baseball world wouldn't revolve around the Yankees if everyone stopped talking about them. But you won't, because it does.Wow. If the series were Yankees-Mets, all you sportswriters would be complaining about "only big-market teams have a chance" and "no parity" and "mercenary teams buying victory". Why can't you just appreciate good baseball?
This wasn't the best Series, but I am ashamed that a BASEBALL writer would rather watch "House" or "Dancing with the stars" than the WORLD SERIES!
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But no, New York teams are the only teams that matter.....Guess what? The Cardinals are World Champions. They have 10 Championships, 2nd most ever. And guess what else? Nobody cares about New York. Go to any other part of the country, people couldn't care less whether or not a New York team is in the Series. The Subway Series was ranked 9th in rating over the last 12 years or World Series. If that doesn't tell you that nobody else cares about New York then you are simplyin denial. Maybe this year's series is not being watched as much, maybe less people are interested, that's life. But to think that anybody outside of NY would care more if the Mets or Yanks were in it is simply conceited. As far as East Coast biased, well, when the WILD CARD Redsox beat the BEST RECORD IN BASEBALL Cardinals in 2004, the writers loved it. But when the underdog Cards are doing the same thing this year, the writers can do nothing but knock them. Biased indeed, don't be hypociritical, admitt it.guess which owner is the richest in baseball? Its Carl Pohlad from the Twins. Steinbrenner has quite possibly the least money of any owner in baseball. He simply spends it on winning. Also, the cure for bad ratings isn't Yankees-Mets, its Yankees-Red SoxRecent Posts
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