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4:25 PM ET, 12/19/06
Nuggets Acquire Iverson
Posted by Paul Forrester
So Denver is the answer for the Answer. A day after losing league-leading scorer Carmelo Anthony to a 15-game suspension, the Nuggets acquired the league's second-leading scorer, Allen Iverson, from the Sixers in exchange for point guard Andre Miller, Joe Smith and a pair of 2007 first-round draft picks. The Nuggets also received minimum-salary guy Ivan McFarlin.
At first blush, the deal appears to be one of those that honestly might help both teams.
For the Sixers, the opportunity to get an All-Star in return for the former MVP was killed after owner Ed Snider opened up the bidding for Iverson on national TV. So GM Billy King did the next best thing, fast-tracking the rebuilding process to come with two additional first-round selections (in addition to their own) in a draft many experts predict will be the best in years. He also obtained almost $7 million in salary-cap relief with Joe Smith's contract, which is set to expire after this season.
For the Nuggets, Iverson provides immediate relief for an offense minus Anthony and J.R. Smith, also suspended for his actions in Saturday's brawl in New York.
But bigger questions loom for Denver. Can A.I. and Carmelo share the ball enough to keep each happy? And equally important, how will Iverson and George Karl get along? As he has proved in previous stops in Seattle and Milwaukee, Karl is not the easiest of coaches to play for, especially if you are the star attraction.
Iverson already has chafed under the strong-willed thumb of one former Tar Heel in Larry Brown. Will he fare any better under another in Karl? We'd bet Iverson's relief at leaving Philly will prolong the honeymoon period through this season. But beyond that ...
What do you think? Could the Sixers have gotten more? Does the move make the Nuggets a Western Conference title contender? Give us your thoughts.
YES! I haven't been this excited since the Avalanche landed Roy and Keane for a few decent players. This just reaffirmed my belief that Denver is the greatest sports town in all the land. Just look at what we've done to put a good team on the field/rink/court. Elway, Roy, Bourque, Blake, Hampton (flop), the Melo pick, Javon Walker, the Cutler pick, Larry Walker, and now A.I. Wow!!! Our owners, g.m.'s and coaches know how to keep the interest high and the quality always good, with the exception of the Rockies. I can't wait until Iverson is embraced by the Mile High Fans. Bad attitude or not, he'll want to make us happy when he steps on that court and we'll get to see a hall of fame point guard first hand (finally). Now, if we can just get the Rockies to come around.
Andre Miller does not fit into Denver's goal to run...That said, he shows up every night, shoots his foul shots, passes the ball, and is the best ally oop passer in the game. How many points will denver score with no ally ooops? I guess 30 from Iverson who doesn't pass, doesn't go to practice but does run....This trade is trading one piece that doesn't fit for another. Philly might be getting a piece that fits them but Denver's only hope is to trade Iverson for someone who can help us win. A point guard who runs and passes.....
Unless the 76ers get some really good players in the draft, it looks like Denver got the best of the deal. I think the 76ers could have gotten a little more for A.I. A.I. must accept his role as #2 or there will be problems. He is under another UNC coach in George Karl and we know how it played out with the last UNC coach he had.
Clearly Denver got the better end of the deal--in the short term. A.I. is many things but lazy is not one of them. This guy plays harder than 10 average NBA players. He's not a point guard though and now that Miller is gone Boykins will probably have to step up and play more. The Sixers get a very good point guard in Miller but I'm not sure they really want to build around him. He's a better distributor than A.I. and can score around 15 ppg. Igoudala and Korver now have no excuse not to average at least 15 ppg each now that they'll be spoon-fed the ball by Miller. Overall not a bad trade.
The Sixers on the right track for the future of their franchise with rebuilding through the draft rather than overpaying guys on the downside of their careers. As far as Denver, can melo and AI co-exist? From what I have seen of melo this year you can see he has really worked hard on his game in the off season. Iverson always plays hard but the bigger question is can sacrifice his ego under the tutlelage of coach karl and do what it will take to win a championship? If he does, then of course a great move for Denver, but I think at this point more of a risk in the short term than anything else.
Both teams actually came out of this one pretty good. Miller is a former All-Star (as you mentioned) and they got 2 1st round picks out of it. Getting AI does make Denver a immediate threat in the West, once they get Carmelo and JR back, as long as they can share the ball and not let egos get in the way, Denver has a chance to challenge the big dogs in the West
I'M not to sure that Iverson and Melo will be hitting the 30 + points a night with both of them trying to score that. Both guys are the same kind of player and I have always seen Melo as the next Iverson. Denver might just be in the NBA finales!!!!
agreed... Denver def got the better deal!!! A.I. is a steal for Andre Miller and Joe Smith. Will have to wait 3-4 yrs to see how the drafted players turn out to fully judge this trade. Can't wait to see Iverson and Carmelo playing with each other
This trade could either go awesomely well, or horrendously wrong. Carmelo and AI are both selfish players who need to shoot the ball a lot. Essentially, Carmelo is a larger version of AI. If they can find a way to share the ball and worry about winning more than individual statistics, this could be a total coup for Denver. However, Iverson has never really played with a player the caliber of Carmelo nor vice versa. If they can't find a way to share the ball, this trade could end up as a total debacle.
I agree! The 76ers the Nuggets seem to have gotten the better end of this deal but next year's draft is supposed to be one of the deepest we have seen. Having 3 picks in the first round will help them rebuild. In all honesty, I wanted to see Iverson team up with Garnett so that they could compete for a ring together.
Can AI and Melo co-exist and play nice? I think they can, and hope that they stay out of trouble...the offense will be fired up !! But let's not make it the Denver Thuggs instead of the Nuggs. I think Camby, JR Smith, and Nene can compliment this duo of scorers...but what happens when Kmart returns...??? It'll be the AI show for a month or so...then Melo returns...it should be interesting.
We can't know for sure until we see how the draft turns out for the Sixers. In the short term... of course it works out for Denver better... how much better we'll see once Melo and Iverson start playing together. In the long run... I'll take Philly though. This is a DEEP draft class and they've got a great chance to reload and start over.
I think AI, being more mature now and with a better chance now of making a real run at the championship, will give up some shots for Carmello. The biggest question is will AI be able to get along with Coach Karl in the long run. One thing to think about... If Kenyon Martin can get healthy and back to himself, this team could be amazing!!!
This is deja vu both for the Nuggets (the 80s teams with English, Vandaweghe, Issel) and for Karl (the Bucks of a few years ago, with Allen, Big Dog, Cassel) - lots of points for, lots of points against, nowhere near championship caliber. I say Karl lasts another year.
huge 76er fan who is ready for #3 to be a distant memory. I couldn't be happier with this trade. Rumors were flying talking about Igoudala moving and stuff- now with a proven PG in the fray we can really see if these kids can play- not only that but this will open up a couple of other moves- maybe C-Webb will be outtie too. A boy can dream can't he!
I don't think that Iverson and Melo can co-exist without a premium passer to get them the ball such as Miller. Denver does not have a pass first point guard left. The deal makes some sense for Philly though considering they get a top PG who will get the ball to AI2 and co. where they need it to be most effective. The picks and cap relief will help the rebuilding for next year and beyond.
for now the nuggets have the better end of the deal. But in a year in a half those 2 first round draft picks will used to draft or trade and the sixers will still have andre miller plus there pick this year which could be Greg Oden. Overal I think the sixers got the best part of the deal even though the people and picks will not have an imeadiate impact.
I think the Sixers should have gotten much more. Re: the draft picks, I don't know what picks they'll get but I doubt they will be lottery picks. Re: the two players they got...aren't they over the hill and on their way out of the NBA. I am still not sure that they got anybody who will ever provide any significant help. And Iverson is the 2nd leading scorer in the league. It is a sad commentary on Iverson that he can only get that in return.
The deal may actually work well for both teams. Of course there's going to be enough opportunities for a PG and a SF to touch the ball enough. Nay sayers act as if a team can't have two stars. The Bulls had Pippen and Jordan and lots of other players scored for them. Obviously AI and 'Mello aren't Scotty and Michael. But they will do fine.
I also like the fact that the 76ers got two more picks. If they don't worry about positions and take the best ballers, they could be in a great position in a couple of years, with young depth and Miller.
Joe Smith never lived up to the hype, but he is reliable and plays with maturity.
I'm from Philly, and I can't believe that people are actually saying that the Sixers did alright in this deal. Sure, they got both of the Nugget's first round picks in a potentially very deep draft, but here's the problem...who is going to be selecting those players to draft? Oh, that's right, Billy King...one of the worst GMs in the league. The Sixers could get the number 1 pick via the lottery, with Greg Oden (assuming he might come out), Glen Davis, etc. and Billy King would draft some unproven guy from Eastern Europe...because he's got tremendous upside potential. David Stern should disband the Sixers and move the organization to the WNBA. What a joke. I hope A.I. wins the championship with Denver...I know I'm already rooting for them.
For "thekiffer", since when are "ally oop" passes a big part of an NBA offense? With that said, I don't know how you missed the dozens of incredible ally oop passes Iverson has thrown over the years, half of Iguodala's highlight reel is on ally oop passes from Iverson. As for Iverson not passing, He averages 6.1 assists over his career and 7.4 over the last 3+ seasons. That average would be much higher if he didn't have to play his career with Big men who can't catch the ball (Mutombo, Dalembert) and a bunch of defense first guards who can't shoot.
thekiffer...AI is a great passer and he'll do well in Denver. He's averaging over 7 assists/game on a team without any fire power. Denver got the much better end of the deal. Philly takes on Miller's horribly inflated contract for the next 2 years and will be gambling on draft picks to pick up the slack. Denver gets a perrenial all star and Philly gets draft picks.
Easy matty2u. Denver is not even in the top five for greatest sports towns. Lets be serious. No one cares about hockey, melo fell in your lap thanks to detroit, Rockies stink, Ill give you the broncos (the elway era only). With A.I., be careful what you wish for!
Big questions. Yes AI can score, but at what price? He and Karl are a powder keg waiting for a match. Chemistry is also a big question. And yes, you do need to practice. Teams usually win championships, not individuals.
chemistry and teamwork is the key...putting up points won't be a prob for these 2 dudes but how it all plays out under karl is another BIG issue....if they don't hold on in the middle of the pack for the playoff positions, this trade should be considered a dud...if they do get to 2nd or even conf finals, i say it worked well but there are a lot more deeper and better run offensive/defensive teams in the west so i don't expect them really in the Finals.
AI + Carmelo + Smith = No defense = no NBA title. At least an all offense team like Phoenix has some guys that can play D. I see some high scores but in the playoffs, you need strong D to advance. Fun but no Finals....
People don't forget AI averaged almost 8 assists for the last few years and if he had more consistent teammates it would have been over 10. I think we'll see more of those 25+ pts 10+ assists games from AI. He'll start at the point and Melo, Smith and Camby will benefit from AI's speed and court vision. The only aspect I would worry about would be playing AI and Earl Boykins together. But I'm sure Karl has a plan for that lineup.
this is good for now for Denver and Iverson because Iverson needed a change of scenery. Also Iverson will help Mello mello out and help the nuggets at least challenge Phoenix,SanAntonio,and Dallas for the right to play in the finals but unless they get a big man that can bring they will never get the Western Conference Finals or the Finals.
I don't think they will get much from the draft picks since they are not likely to be high picks. I don't think Joe Smith will be any help and will not be in the NBA much longer. So you're really looking at Andre Miller and he comes up way short in comparison to Iverson. But it is a sad commentary for Iverson. He is the 2nd best scorer in the league. He is tough minded and physically durable. Yet no team was willing to give much more than an olive stick for him. Apparently he is trouble as a team player. He must cause dissension since no coach so far has been able to keep him mildly happy. And now after weeks of knowing he was available, no coach wants him on their team unless he comes basically free.
Just a quick look ahead at the 2007 draft- The Sixers could end up with some studs. If things hold, they will have four of the top 34 picks. According to NBADraft.net, they could realisticaaly end up with 1. Kevin Durant 2. Tyler Hansbrough 3. Alando Tucker 4. Aaron Afflalo That's a big infusion of talent and that doesn't even factor in if they get lucky with Greg Oden. I think the Sixers did the best they could and in three years, the Nuggets have to have a Championship banner to justify this trade.
who says A.I will have to take a backseat to Melo. Are you kidding me!! A.I (next to Nash) is the best, most exciting player in the game. Fans love Melo, but A.I has the X factor that Denver needs. They do have a chance to go further in the playoffs...but they will not gel in time for that and like everyone else is thinking, they likely will not both be the team players that the Nuggets need to win a championship.
This can be good for Denver. Iverson finally has someone good to play with (actually a few guys), and when (very seldom) he does pass the rock, at least his temmates can hit the shot. As for Philly King will waste the picks he got on some scrubs as he continues his quest to be worst ever GM (Isaiah here I come).
The NBA is only an acronymn for "No Basketball Ability"; all there is are overpriced ego's running around in short pants that have no idea what real life is. Professional sports if one can use the word so loosly should be sent to Iran where ego's seem to flagrantly reign supreme.
Denver just got a 2 guard, not a point guard. And they gave up an excellent point guard who distributed to Melo and JR. But look at the defensive liability of getting AI. Assuming that boykins in now the starting point guard, imagine when AI and Boykins are playing together! You will have 2 guards under 6 foot trying to defend Kobe and other western conference guards. I think iverson is a terrific player but he is a terrible fit for denver.
Chicago, LA, Boston to name a few that had multiple All Star talented players on their teams and it seems that worked out well for them...MJ-Pippen, Jabbar-Johnson, Bird and crew..not to mention Shaq/Wade, Shaq/Kobe. When you want to win and have played as long as A.I. without the brass ring he knows this is the I.T.
Iverson has a history of butting heads with other natural scorers (e.i. Stackhouse, Hughes, Van Horn, Webber) but he needs a solid big man to clear the paint for him and give him some solid passes from the post. During his most successful year he had Mutombo to provide that support and the Sixers failed to succeed when they don't have that presence. I think the Nugget's success lies more in how well he meshes with Camby and Nene. As for the Sixers, if they can attain Oden and two solid players in the draft (hopefully one being a natural backcourt scorer) this trade will definitely pay off for them.
it's hard to know if the sixers got the best deal they could, without knowing what other teams were offering. but from the sixers side, 2 first round picks in a very deep draft and a veteran PG (who once led the leagues in assists and has a realtively inexpensive contract), plus cap space in one helluva deal.
AI will put up great personal numbers for 15 games, but won't make Denver any better. Then when Melo returns he will be #2 and problems will start. Both players will suffer and the chemistry of the team will tank.
I think Philly made out pretty good in Miller who will really help the team better by actually getting them the ball plus two first round draft picks. I think they did pretty well. I don't like AI so I hope the blowout in Denver is spectacular.
Please. This is only going to create another distraction in Denver, as it has been proven over the years that two #1 scorers will instrinsically fight for their points, resulting in poor performance on the part of other players. Look for JR Smith's numbers to go drastically down, and for Denver to get ousted in the first round of the playoffs again.
I think Iverson has been top dog since he came into the league. Melo should be taking all the last second shots... For Denver to benefit most from this trade depends on how well Iverson can accept the second fiddle role. And whether he can keep Karl from getting an aneurysm.
We might see AI assists go up to 9,10. And Denver wont miss Andre Miller.
I can see how it helps the Nuggets. I don't know about the Sixers though, unless Mr. King was referring to rebuilding for the 2007-2008 season. Which means the Sixers waisted their 2006-2007 season. I thought these kind of trades happened over the summer. If you ask me that was a very poor business move by the Sixers basketball organization.
While this is obviously a great deal for the Nuggets, this is just another in a long stream of terrible moves by Billy King. You have a 30ppg scorer, and you're telling me all you could get for him was Andre Miller and an expiring contract? Come on! If I'm a Sixers fan, I'm outraged that this is what we got, and if I'm a Celtics or Clippers fan or fan of any other team that was in the running, I'm outraged that we didn't put together a stronger offer (just one example, how did Boston NOT offer Ratliff, Telfair, and either Jefferson or Green? You're not REALLY going to tell me they're better off praying that one of them SOMEHOW blossoms into a better player than Iverson before Pierce comes out of his prime, are you?).
The thing to really look at is that in Philly AI was doing nothing right now, just sitting on the bench not playing. That does no good for Philly and with him refusing to play, they had to do something. I say Denver got the best of the deal, but I still say they are not a NBA champ. Carmelo is very good but with AI, as he has shown before, he will not be able to share the light. Denver will be very good but at the end of big games I think two guys both wanting to take the game winner will start to cause lots of problems. I would really like to see the Big Ticket go somewhere like LA so he can finally have a good team around him. I think he would be a bigger addition for any team.
I think that the Timberwolves not trading for Iverson just was a huge mistake on the part of Glen Taylor. The wolves are struggling this year, attendance is down and adding Iverson to ther roster would have made a huge impact. The wolves now should look at unloading Garnett. Maybe they should trade him to the Nuggets for a future first round draft pick in in 2015!!!! Thats pobably when the wolves would next get a #1. Let Garnett when championships in Denver the next 5 years. He deserves it!!!
The nuggets are definetely a contender for the west championship. They have 2 of the current highest scoring player in the league. They have two stars and other players who are also impressive such as jr. smith. The western championship final is going to be between the SUNS & NUGGETS. And now theres a possiblity that carmelo and d-wade could have a championship before lebron james. This might put some anger in lebron james, forcing his team owner to get some good players around him soon. So this trade is just the start of great basketball for years to come. lets call it the 3 PRINCE era. lebron, carmelo, and d-wade competing to see who will be heir to the one throne that michael jordan left. who will be crowned king? James? Carmelo? or D-wade?
If JR Smith is happy as a catch and shoot player who might get the occasional lob (Ironically like...Byron Scott)then there will be enough shots to go around for the perimeter guys. He's the guy who'll have to sacrifice most.
The biggest losers in this trade are Nene and Bruce Bowen. Nene because Karl will move Melo back to the mid/deep post to create room for AI. Bowen because we all remember the beatdown he took in the playoffs the last time Melo dragged him down on the block.
Defensively, the only hope for other teams is to exploit the midrange. AI+Mutumbo is very similar to AI+Camby and we all remember how that worked out.
First of all, there is no doubt that Denver is going to be better, but they also have to remember that they are in the Western Conference and they are going to face high caliber defense and offense in the playoff such as the powerful Mavericks and Spurs and Suns. As good as they get they will not go far in the playoffs because they have to beat the best in the west(mavs or spurs) and thats a mission impossible for Denver yet.
Philadelphia got the better part of the deal by far. They got rid of Iverson. Iverson will wear out his welcome in Denver much faster than he did in Philly. With this trade the Sixers are looking to the future. Failed attempts to turn the Sixers into playoff material by bringing in past their prime marquee players such as Glenn Robinson and Chris Webber have made the Sixers realize it is time to start young. The Sixers already have a good nucleus in place with Rodney Carney, Andre Iquodala, and Samuel Dalembert. Waiting in the wings with bright futures are Bobby Jones and Louis Williams. With Iverson gone and Andre Miller in, these young players will get a chance to develop. Miller will provide the coach like mentality on the floor that these young players can learn the NBA game from and develop into solid contributors. In addition the Sixers get two 1st round picks in addition to their own for a total of three picks in the top 30. The Sixers can package the 2 Denver picks for a higher pick or keep them and come away with a high pick (their own) and two other good young players. Keep an eye on these draft choices and watch out for the Sixers in the next 2-3 years.
A TOTAL GAMBLE. Let me see, my quite young star player just went off to camp (USA) and comes back a changed man - a true leader. He goes on to demonstrate his good judgment by contributing to (rather than calming) a brawl in New York. On the heals of his poor judgement, we bring in another strong leader with lots of character to support him - you tell me, would you want your team led by AI (thats Anthony and Iverson). It'll make for good entertainment that is for sure - but they will be easy to defend generally and even easier to score on! May the Nuggets Legacy Live On!
Denver fans have fun watchin your team collapse like we in philly watched for so many years.....Iverson cant play with anyone specially someone who is better than him like Melo....he will never pass the ball and your team wont make the playoffs less he falls behind Melo....dont tell me the Nuggets got the better deal cuz in the long run the Sixers will have won one if not two championships before AI even comes close to another one in Denver....sixers now have three first round draft picks in what could be a very high draft where they could land Greg Oden possibly Big Baby and get themselves another shooter so have fun watchin the Nuggets fall apart in the coming months and years
I think A.I. to Denver is a trainwreck waiting to happen. You have in Iverson, an emotional veteran superstar who has to get his shots to be happy coming into a team with Anthony, an emotional young superstar who has to get his shots to be happy, and an emtional younger ascending player in J.R. Smith who has the same needs, and they are all playing for an emotional veteran coach who has had problems with his players at every stop along the way. This marriage will work for 15 games until Anthony returns hungry to retain his league leading scoring average playing along with someone who has been that man in this league 4 times. Let the soap opera begin!
For now, it seems like the Nuggets have the best of this trade. However, if you take into consideration the leadership of both Iverson and Carmelo, I think that only one of the two scoring machines will continue to lead the league in scoring. Either way, I think that adding Iverson onto the roster will definitely benefit the Nuggets in the longrun.
The Sixers had to get rid of a guy who many consider a cancer not an answer.Just getting two number one picks would have been enough so to get Miller they get a bonus.If they draft poorly the City of Brotherly Love will let them know it.
Denver averages about 85 shots a game. If Anthony and Iverson both average about 24 shots a game, JR averages 12 and Camby averages almost 10......then the rest of the team should average about about 2??? As long as AI keeps getting to the line, the Nuggets will be ok. You have to be able to get someone on the other team in foul trouble. Opposing teams are averaging about 105 points against the Nuggets.
Everyone is entitled 2 there own opinion. We(Philly) got da better of da deal. Remember how Chicago had 2 rebuild after Jordan and Pippen left, it took some time; now look at how they are rebuilding with younger players. Look 4 us in a few years.PS I'm glad he turned down da Bobcats they are too young 4 da headache.... Big Larry
It will be fun to watch in Denver, but no way, are they winning a Championship. Maybe 1 playoff series and that's it. Even with the scoring punch of 'Melo, AI, and JR Smith, they're front line will be eaten alive by the other Western powerhouses. Plus, it will be far from easy for 'Melo and AI to gel together. AI is not a pure point guard, always looks to shoot-first, and dominates the ball for too long eating the shot clock. He'll have to adapt or it'll blow up. If Sixers do well in the draft (with their own lottery pick, assuming they maintain they're pathetic record, and the 2 Denver picks which could also be packaged to obtain a higher 1st round pick), this will definitely benefit the Sixers more in the long-term.