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1:30 PM ET, 1/15/06
Pistons Land Webber
Posted by Ian Thomsen
The irony of Chris Webber's imminent arrival in Detroit is that he is the opposite of Ben Wallace. While Wallace dominated entirely at the defensive end, Webber will further hasten the Pistons' conversion to a score-first mentality.
Coach Flip Saunders will invent all kinds of sophisticated plays to run the offense through Webber at the center position, which in turn should liberate Rasheed Wallace to roam the court offensively. Making a happy man of Rasheed may be the biggest benefit of all for the Pistons: They need to reward him at the offensive end in exchange for all of the dirty work he must provide defensively around the basket come playoff time.
So do you think Webber is a good fit in Detroit? Let's hear it.
Webber will help the Pistons. He is a veteran player with the best hands on a big man to ever play the game. Surrounded by other veterans he will have the motivation he needs to play hard every night. He is FAR from an elite player, but in the Pistons rotation and at center in the East(something the sixers never did for some reason) he can be effective.
This is great news! Hopefully, the Pistons can use this as a springboard to get the #1 seed in the East and get back to the conference finals for the 5th year in a row and to the Finals for the 3rd time in 4 seasons.
When I was in high school, I saw Chris play at Detroit Country Day. He and I were at Michigan at the same time, and it broke my heart when he left early for the pros. I defend him whenever someone brings up the imfamous timeout. I became a Bullets fan when he and Juwan played together, and a Kings fan when he was in Sacramento. What I'm trying to get at here is that I am a big Chris Webber fan! All that being said, I really don't see this as being a good fit. Detroit works when it's identity is as a blue collar, hard-nosed defense team. To me, the addition of Chris will take that identity even further away from it's core...the same as letting Ben go did. I hope it all works out, but I don't think it will. Go Pistons! Go Blue!
Posted: 2:43 PM by Francis Fernandes,Toronto, Canada
Chris Webber has done little to deserve his All-Star salary with the Kings and 76ers. C.Webb, you don't get paid the big bucks to join a contender... you were paid big $$$ to MAKE them contenders!! D'oh!!
I doubt Webber will make much impact(His new team was doing well withOUT him); just enough to carry them over the small hump of division title, that's all. O'Brien trophy, well... that is something else.
Joe Dumars is one sharp exec to snag him for much less than his oversized salary.
Webber brings down teams he's on. Look at Philly--with all his talent, what was the record with him in the lineup? And he has proven that he is a whiner, a liar, and a primadonna.
The University of michigan is right--banish Webber. He is a bad fit for the Pistons, and I hope he fails miserably.
I am surprised that the Pistons didn't see through his shtick in Phila and in Sacramento. Webber simply does not make those around him better--he just whines when he is not the center of attention. Not to mention a liar under oath.
The signing of Webber was a good one. I believe it will make Rasheed a happier player and it will help to have a guy who will not take the regular season for granted like most of the current roster. Hopefully he can help re-enrgize the line-up. This could be another Joe Dumars royal flush circa 2004.
I think he would have been a better fit with the Lakers. The triangle offense was designed with skilled passing big men in mind. His rebounding and passing would have been a welcome addition. But I guess you can't put a price on playing close to home (even though he most certainly will).
Back in the summer of 2001 the big question was if Webber would sign a deal as a free agent w/ Detroit. He ended up staying w/ the Kings, while Detroit signed Uncle Cliffy Robinson instead and we all know how that ended up working out for the Pistons and Webber. This time though, Webber got it right. While it is easy to say he is slow and can't defend, look at the East centers. In the playoffs he'll be playing against the likes of offensively challenged Ben Wallace, the always slowing Big Z in Cleveland and the rehabbed and slowed down Shaq in Miami. He doesn't need the lateral speed to defend these guys, but he is an additional big body to box them out. Additionally, the thought of him beside Sheed throwing perfect outlets to Tay and Rip on the wings for easy buckets will be felt immediately. Detroit needed to make some sort of splash to stir up their roster and this was timed perfect and the cost is minimal. Good move Joe D
Have you seen Chris webber play lately? This guy is a poor mans Oliver Miller running down the court. I can't believe that get a job, let along in the NBA. I agree that he is a great passing Big Man and with his size (hands and body) can still grab a decent number of rebounds, but does anybody believe this will be at all effective in the post season, when the Pistons will be counting on him to get stops? He needs about 20 minutes a game on a team like the Lakers, not one that primarily creates in offense on screen rolls and pick and pops.
I agree with another anonymous blogger... he would have been a better fit in LA. Can you imagine if you had Odom and Webber on the same team? This would have been one of the best passing fron court of all time. I wish him the best in Detroit... and he will still be a decent contributer, but by the time the playoffs come... he would hav wished he wore the purple and gold.
I'll have to trust Joe D. He's made several moves in the past where my gut instinct was "Oh #$%#" and then they turned out great. Examples: trading Stack for Rip, getting Rasheed, and signing Antonio McDyess and his bionic leg. And there's no doubt the loss of B.Wallace drops Detroit from "Title Contender" to "Good Team" and Detroit had to do something.
Of course Webber is a good fit. People fail to realise that Webber has more to give despite his knees. He's still a very gifted passer and a solid midrange shooter. He will certainly take some load off the fantastic four.
I don't see how webber fits with the pistons he might not start and if he does hes an undersized center. He was really a better fit if he went to the lakers that would have been a nice lineup smush parker, kobe bryant,lamar odom, chris webber, and andrew bynum and the triangle offense would compliment webber's passing ability.
Don't forget emotions. The guy sat on the floor next to his dad to watch the timberwolve game. Webber is finally home. He's not the same athletically as he was years ago, but I expect him to be a great fit because he's talented & wants to be here. Who wouldn't want to win a championship for the team they grew up admiring?
I am perplexed by this acquisition, as I think of HIGH CLASS when I think of Joe Dumars; and when I think of Chris Webber, I think..."tarnished, spoiled, underachiever!" However, I trust Joe D and maybe Webber can retire with some dignity in the D. There is a lot of unfulfilled expectations that date back to the UM Fab Five days. Webber disgraced that university, and never came clean. Maybe this is the final cleansing and a chance to make good.
Curious acquisition by the otherwise home-run hitter, Joe-D. Webber is not a character guy, and I fear that his presence can only hurt the 'stones. Maybe webber can exercise some demons in the D, as he left Ann Arbor in a shroud of crime and disgrace. There is a lot of unfulfilled expectations left over from those 'Fab Five' days, and Webber needs to come clean. Maybe he can find his soul in the D. Here's hoping it works out.
Think about Ben Wallace and what the Pistons ask from their big men: strong, tough, excellent defensive mind set/skills, good rebounding skills, able to finish strong in fast break situation. Then look at what Webber has: NONE of the above. Futher more, Webber always demands the ball and his offensive statistic, which is opposite from typical Pistons' characteristic. What Pistons needs to win is make Rasheed Wallace a consistent low post threat, not giving him even more defensive burden (happens when you take Mohammed out of game and put in Webber.)
Great move. Flip's offense works best when the passing game is run through the post. Still, the Stones still desperately need an offensive point guard to come off the bench. Flip Murrary's mental weak (see Pistons v. Cavs in playoffs last year).
Webber is a mixed bag. Could he help the Pistons, maybe. He was a force before his injury sidelined him, but he is also crafty and has the ability to really compensate for the slowdown of his running game. Maybe a move to playing center will also help his game. Either way we know who the real losers in this one are, the 76ers. At least Detroit is getting this one on the cheap.
First of all of all let us look at past Pistons never-been signings...
1. Ben Wallace in the Grant Hill trade (who ever saw that working out)
2. Rasheed Wallace the attitude that kills teams joining in 04.
3. Antonio Mcdyess is a washed up small power forward...
The Pistons got C-Webb at bargain basement pricing.. If he can just move the ball and score ten points a game, he is worth every penny. If he finds his health (which almost every banged up player does in Detroit), he will be a force. One with a amazing passing skills. To get a guy for the price of nothing in today's NBA... How is that ever a bad deal? Joe D always shines in these moments.
I'm sorry, but I said it before and I'll say it again. This is just a bad choice for C-Webb. I don't care what people say about the East and it's centers. They are all professional basketball players and I doubt anyone is going to roll over and just let him play his game. Not to mention the coaches and other 4 players on the other side of the floor. Secondly, the up-tempo style incorporated by Flip Saunders "will" produce much more pounding on his shaky knees than say, the much more deliberate but fluid triangle in L.A. In spite of this, I guess there's just nothing like home cooking. :^\ Moreover, "IF" the Pistons get out of the East and play for a championship, how do you think he and the Pistons are going to fare against the stallions in the West? I also read something about a rehabilitated Shaq... Like a rehabilitated Shaq won't punish him down low. People..."Please"!
Mind you, I've always been a Chris Weber fan, but I have to admit that he hasn't always made the smartest decisions from a career standpoint. This decision just confirms my thoughts. All in all, I wish him the best. I think he's going to need it.
I don't know if it will be a perfect fit for the Pistons but Webber will surely make an impact to the team. He is a great passer which will make the elbow curls of Rip deadlier. It will also free up Sheed of being the passer on that play which means Sheed could wander around on the offside launching 3s or for the weakside offensive rebound. But his defense may become a liability for the team which has made a name for itself, and won a championship at that, for being an excellent defensive team. But his center matchups in the East will likely not make him work that much on the defensive aspect of his game.
But in any case, it was a nice pickup for Joe. He got a nice big-man with great hands for a dime. It's also a great choice for C Webb. At least now, he has a shot at being in the Finals.
Anybody remember the first game of the season? The Milwaukee Bucks destroyed the Pistons in the paint. Sheed is playing through an injury and becoming gimpier by the day. With C-webb unable to guard anyone but immobile big men it will fall on Sheed to spend more time on them, as C-webbs ego won't allow for Dyess to get the crunch time minutes. The Pistons are not geared to be a scoring team. Also, Flip Saunders has run this team into the ground.
Gary Payton and Alonzo Mourning, both of whom were veterans with out a title, played well last year and much better in the playoffs for the Champs Miami Heat. If Webber wants a title, and i assume he does because he picked Motown, he will bring experience and whatever trades he has still got. that is a plus to the Pistons as they vie with the Cavs. essentially, the east comes down to those two. Webber can potentially tilt that scale in the Pistons' favor because he can contribute without the pressure to put up big numbers.
Don't ever compare Cris Webber to Oliver Miller! As much as I loved "The Big O" that comment was just plain wrong!
OK, there is way too much Webber bashing going on here. Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton, and Chauncey Billups. 'Dysse and Maxiell will back up and play D. That's all I'm going to say about that.
And I wish Ben was still here, but he left and he took our defensive mentality with him. So embrace the offensive options we will have with 5 quality scoring threats, who can shoot from anywhere on the floor.
Next point, he has to be one of the cheapest aquisitions to be put into the starting lineup for any title contending team in the history of the NBA. We didn't overpay, we didn't give up anybody too important (I can spare Naz or Dale), and Arnie is a master at getting players who have had previous injuries to perform well once in Detroit.
The real question is what number do you think he wears? Anything other than Webber #4 seems odd? Any guesses?
Posted: 3:21 AM by Froilan Legaspi a.ka. GamE OveR
C-Webb would be able to contribute or help the Pistons in some way but I really do doubt that adding Webber into the mix could help Detroit win another title. Can Webber defend Shaq, Garnett, Duncan, Bosh or let's say Ilgauskus?- I don't think so... Pistons fans, don't fret too much on the return of your hometown boy, yes, Webber could still score, grab rebounds and a terrific passer, but his lack of mobility and defense negates all the positive attributes he possesses.
I think that Chris Webber can be a big help with the Pistons because of his great passing ability and his low post scoring. He can definitely fit into Flip Saunders' system because he is a great offensive players and Flip can work comfortably with great offensive players, unlike Ben Wallace on whom he had a liability on the offensive end. Flip Saunders is a great offensive coach and Webber can be good with him. Defense? Well thats a problem. But those guys under Larry Brown sure knows how to play defense. Prediction? Conference Finals or Finals, but they won't bring the chip back to Detroit.