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4/29/2007 11:26:00 AM

Getting Moss seems unfair

The Patriots appear to be on the verge of acquiring Randy Moss, a move that should solidify their status as the 2007 Super Bowl favorites.

New England is confident its culture of winning can help transform players with questionable characters into champions. The Pats did so with Corey Dillon a few years ago and they drafted the controversial Miami safety Brandon Meriweather in the first round of this draft.

This is a team that should have defeated Indianapolis in the AFC Championship Game and would have easily beaten the Bears in the Super Bowl. The Patriots only needed a slight tweak to climb back to the top of the AFC. Instead, they went all out and brought in Moss, linebacker Adalius Thomas and receivers Wes Welker and Donte Stallworth. And they appear to be having another great draft.

The big question about Moss is whether he has lost a step and if he can accept a reduced role in New England's offense. The Pats love to spread the ball around, while Moss thinks he's open on every play. But coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady, who reportedly pushed for the Moss trade, set the tone in that locker room and should be able to handle the controversial wide receiver.

Moss reportedly will restructure his contract, so this isn't a huge risk for the Patriots. I think it will be hard to label a bigger winner than New England this offseason. I feel bad for the Colts, who may have a short run as NFL champion. And I feel really bad for the Jets, who can't get a break in the AFC East.

Do you think this move makes the Pats the team to beat in the AFC?
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Comments:

Posted: 11:42 AM   by Jay
If they stay healthy, the Pats dominate in a way never seen before. Best coach, best QB, best D Line... Peyton Manning will be limited to birthday parties in Fab '08.
Posted: 11:45 AM   by Anonymous
How can you ask us to comment on a trade that hasn't actually happened yet? Have the patriots done well this offseason? Yea, they have. Would Moss make them even better? I honestly don't know if he would be worth the trouble of trying to keep him in line at this point. They already did enough to be considered put over the top, this seems like the kind of thing that could take all the work and ruin it.
Posted: 11:45 AM   by Jeb
Once again the rest of the NFL is left in complete awe of the New England Patriots ability to get more and deep as a T-E-A-M. Look out Indy, your in some deep trouble.
Posted: 11:45 AM   by Anonymous
it's sick how good the pats are going to be
Posted: 11:46 AM   by Anonymous
This great for the PATS and a smart move trading with SF yesterday. Amazing!!!!
Posted: 11:47 AM   by Anonymous
Tom Brady will show the world what he can do with two star receivers like Moss and Stallworth.
Posted: 11:47 AM   by Anonymous
Absolutely. The Pats are the beast of not only the East but the entire AFC and the NFL. A Randy Moss with a "team first" mentality can bring a great strength to the receiving corps. For the first time since becoming a starter Tom Brady will have all the weapons to go deep in the air.
Posted: 11:47 AM   by Gerry
OMG - Randy Moss for a 4th rounder??? This is like Christmas in April. And, there is a report that he ran a 4.29 or 4.3 in Florida in the past few weeks. Pinch me!!! And we have San Fran's 1st round pick next year? In Bill I trust!!!
Posted: 11:47 AM   by jermaine
I wouldnt say that they would have beat the bears easy because the bears almost beat the pats at foxboro so get you dont know what would of happen its hard to beat the same nfl team twice
Posted: 11:52 AM   by Mack
Why don't you whine about it a little more Perloff? Unfair? There is something called the salary cap, so just because the Scott Pioli is incredible at managing the teams money doesn't make the trade unfair.
Posted: 11:52 AM   by Anonymous
absolutely. the pats now the best, by far, recieving corps. They have the #1 ranked offense and defense. this team has a huge chance to going undeafeted. WATCH OUT NFL!!!
Posted: 11:52 AM   by Anonymous
The patriots are amazing! Not only have they improved a team that was already very, very good- they have also vestly improved the team with free agents- still have picks in this year's draft- and also set themselves up for next year's draft with additional 1st and 3rd round picks. They have this year set and are already prepared to shore up next year's team as some of their core players are continuing to age. PATS ROCK!!!
Posted: 11:53 AM   by Anonymous
I absolutely think that The Patriots are the odds on favorites to win it all now. But games have to still be played, and if you look at the schedule they have it is no cakewalk for sure...
Posted: 11:54 AM   by NE will Choke
Patriots are starting to look like the Yankees and Red Sox, go out and try to buy a Championship. Were they that embarrassed by last year's choke...it's seeming so
Posted: 11:54 AM   by Anonymous
watch out db's moos going deep, welker in the slot, stallworth going deep, oh no maroney taking it at you you pick the outlet thomas.
Posted: 11:55 AM   by TiGa1107
I think the Patriot's have more than enough veteran leadership to help keep Randy Moss in line. Even better that he appears willing to restructure his contract to reduce the risk to the Patriot's.

Way to go Messiers Belichek and Pioli....Bravo!
Posted: 11:56 AM   by Edward
Speaking as a Jets fan, they really can't get break. The Pats are far and away the best team in the AFC now with this this deal and I don't think it is even close. The Pats shouldn't finish any worse than 14-2 this year and I could see them seriously competing for a perfect record, I don't see any weaknesses on this team.
Posted: 11:56 AM   by Anonymous
I just read Perloff's article, and I didn't in any way construe what he said as "whining" that this trade was "unfair". Sounded like he thought the Pats are the strongest team in the NFL. Beleive it or not, not everyone in the universe is trying to disrespect the Pats (and us Pats fans) all the time.
Posted: 11:57 AM   by Tim
The Pats are having a Redskins-type offseason. Normally I'm not in favor of huge makeovers like this, but b/c it's the Pats and they have such a strong core with great leadership already in place, it is scary to think about how good they could be. However, Belichick is cocky and adding malcontents to the locker room with the star power of Randy Moss can always blow up in your face.
Posted: 11:57 AM   by Anonymous
its sad how bulletproof the pats brass is. all these years they get worshipped for not spending big money, gathering "value" late picks, and getting character guys. and it is well deserved. this year they take a 180 -spend tons,draft the biggest character issue, then trade for a guy who essentially quit on his team for 2 years and everyone still bows at their alter. any other teams does this they get demolished.
Posted: 11:59 AM   by Anonymous
Championships are not won in the offseason. Just ask the Denver Nuggets who are an imposing force on NBA Live, but not quite so on the court. Go Colts and prove the NFLs new version of the Yankees (ironic since Boston is so close) that buying other teams veterans doesn't lead to titles.
Posted: 12:01 PM   by Anonymous
Sorry, but Brady is OVERRATED. Yes, that's right.

Brady turns the ball over in clutch situations ALL THE TIME.

Need proof? Look at the film.

The Pats are through.
Posted: 12:02 PM   by Anonymous
The Pats were a shoddy half of play away from a fourth Lombardi in 6 years. They added the top defensive free agent (Thomas)as well as a great group of skill players at many positions Stallworth, Welker, James, K. Brady,and Washington(might turn out to be the best move over the long term) . Then to grab Moss for a 4th in a weak draft, a stud safety, and a 2nd 1st rounder in 2008 is just plain astounding. If youre any other owner than Kraft, you have to wonder why youre paying your GM because he is simply not getting the job done. See ya in Glendale AZ!!!!!
Posted: 12:02 PM   by Wayne
Lets get ready for the Patriots super bowl party!
Posted: 12:04 PM   by Anonymous
I see all these comparisons to the Yankees lol. Theres a salary cap in football, wake up!
Posted: 12:06 PM   by Anonymous
yeah Brady turns the ball over in the clutch all the time all right...oh, except in SUPER BOWLS. what film are you watching?
Posted: 12:07 PM   by Anonymous
This is a huge gamble for the Pats. Moss is selfish and a trouble-maker. People thought he was going to make the Raiders better when he was traded from Minnesota and that didn't exactly work out. Being on a winner might help keep Moss motivated. But he won't be the focus of the offence and that might upset his apparently delicate nature. The Pats already have assembled a formidable team. Moss might simply provide distractions that the team does not need. I say it's a gamble that they didn't need to make.
I the Skins made any one of these moves, the opinion is how ridiculous snyder is. A little bit of hypocrisy?
Posted: 12:10 PM   by Anonymous
I'm a big JETS fan, but I have to say it's all over for the rest of the NFL next year. The Pats getting Moss for a 4th round pick is a complete rip off. This Pats team may go down as the best of all time if it stay healthy.
Posted: 12:11 PM   by Anonymous
All this stockpiling & trading seems like overkill to me. Maybe this is just an indication of the Patriots preparing for life after Bill when the season is done.
Posted: 12:12 PM   by Gerry
Let us all please understand something. The Patriots have signed all of the players this off season to "under" market value. So, if you compare the Patriots to the Yankees and my beloved Red Sox, you are obviously not knowledgeable about the contracts that free agents have signed. Please do your research. Belichick and Pioli just opened up a can of whoop-a$$ on the NFL.
Posted: 12:12 PM   by Anonymous
A 3 time superbowl winner is overrated.. LOSER...Who could have the nerve to say he is overrated.

AS a Broncos fan I'm scared of the Pats now..
Posted: 12:13 PM   by Anonymous
One huge problem with everyone comparing the Pats to the Yankees....there's a little thing called a salary cap in football. The Pats don't spend more money than anyone else, they're just smarter. And as far as NE fans just accepting what the front office does, or "bowing" at the alter as it may be, you're completely right....and we'll continue to do it until they mess it up. Moss and Merriweather may be the straws that break the camel's back, but until that happens, in Bill I trust.
Posted: 12:13 PM   by Anonymous
What is wrong with the Raiders? Why would you draft a QB whose speciality is the deep ball and then trade perhaps the greatest deep threat in the history of the game for a 4TH ROUND DRAFT PICK?? This is just ridiculous. I think Al Davis needs to sell the team.
Posted: 12:14 PM   by Anonymous
Moss is getting older and, as such, can't recover from bumps as quickly as he did when he was younger. His poisonous attitude will cost the Patriots a Super Bowl appearance.
Posted: 12:16 PM   by Andrew
The Pats brass is bulletproof for a very good reason - super bowl titles. Don't forget that the pats have brought in both high profile free agents (think Roosevelt Colvin) and supposed character issues (Corey Dillon) in the past, and those moves seem to have worked out well. Although Moss is no sure thing, his physical gifts are compelling (if you believe he ran a sub 4.3 40 last week), and although not excusable, his disappearance in Oakland seems due more to team mediocrity than a talent drop off. Although the Pats won't go undefeated - their schedule is one of the hardest in the league - they have to be the super bowl favorites, especially with the turmoil in San Diego and talent drain in Indy.
Posted: 12:17 PM   by Anonymous
I'm not sure how defenses are going to prepare for an offense with brady, maroney, moss, stallworth, welker, watson... The list goes on and on. In Bill we trust.
Posted: 12:17 PM   by Anonymous
Best D-line are you kidding Me ?
Posted: 12:18 PM   by Anonymous
There's no risk here with Moss. The Pats did not address the receiver issue in 2006 and they paid for it by comin g up 5 points short of another Super Bowl. It will be Pats and Colts again in the AFC championship with the winner winning the Super bowl.
This is coming from a LONG time L.A. Ram fan. The moves that this team continues to pull off year after year is amazing. Just when you think maybe they are FINALLY mortal BAM they have an off season not seen in the last 10 to 15 years. Congrats Pats fans I tip my collective sideline cap to you and wish you luck for the up coming year... You won't need it and we will see you in the desert in 08 in the bowl with my beloved Rams.
Posted: 12:19 PM   by Andy D
Arguably the best defense in the NFL when everyone is healthy. An explosive tailback in Maroney, one of the future greats at quarterback, a strong and deep O-Line, and now the deepest Wide Receiver corps in football. Everyone hates Belicheck because they're jealous of his success, they wish they had a coach like him. The Patriots will be incredibly difficult to beat, IF everyone stays healthy.
Posted: 12:20 PM   by Anonymous
The Raiders needed to get rid of Moss, and the Pats can certainly use him - assuming he doesn't take off plays like in the past. This could be a win-win trade. Moss is certainly worth more than any forth round draft choice this year. I'm more concerned about drafting Jesse James to play safety. Dude, please leave the gun in Miami.
Posted: 12:21 PM   by Anonymous
As a Colts fan, I find this move both curious and disturbing. For the record, the Patriots weren't a half play away from the Super Bowl. They choked the entire last half of the game, and that last play was a gimmie. Anyway, I see this going one of two ways for the Pats: either they win a Super Bowl, or they self destruct. The talent is certainly there, and there's no reason why they shouldn't be the odds on favorites to win it this year. But if Stallworth gets injured or Moss quits on the team, the whole thing could just implode. It's also important to keep in mind that that defense is getting older and older, and even with Thomas and Merriweather, some of the key cogs could break down. But hey, if the Pats sucked, it would make the Indy-NE rivalry non-existent.

We'll see you in the DOME!
Posted: 12:21 PM   by Anonymous
The pats were already super bowl favorites even before randy moss...now, health permitting, I don't see any team out there to challenge them. Moss will be very motivated this upcoming season to win a super bowl ring and will have a great year, even with the pats "spread the ball" offense. The rich has just gotten richer.
Posted: 12:21 PM   by Anonymous
They already were the team to beat. Now it's their superbowl to loose.
Posted: 12:22 PM   by Chet Johnson
I admit the Patriots have the best of everything, but nothing can stop a locker room poison like a Randy Moss. The Patriots are on drugs if they think coming to a solid team like the Patriots will change Randy Moss. The Colts and another team will meet in the AFC championship next year and it will not be the Patriots.
Posted: 12:23 PM   by Anonymous
This made perfect sense for the Raiders. They got rid of an aging expensive whining troublemaker who gave up on routes and didn't want to be in Oakland.

From an Oakland viewpoint, whether Moss cleans up his act and prospers in New England is irrelevant. What's relevant is that Moss would never have cleaned up his act in Oakland.

Sure, this helps New England. But it doesn't make them invincible. even if Moss decides to apply himself. They have some age issues and some defense issues. Brady isn't the almighty, either. Of course, we here in Oakland have never accepted that the first of Brady's rings was legit, nor have we accepted that he won his first post-season game.

Good trade for both teams.
Posted: 12:23 PM   by Anonymous
As a Green Bay Packer Fan - I am at a lost for words. Ever since I heard that the Patriots were invovled in the Moss rumors - I knew that we were in trouble.

What is Brett to do?
Posted: 12:24 PM   by Anonymous
HaHa perfect season This Team without weaknesses seems to lose to Miami at least once every year. Brady thought he problems with Jason Tayor in his face, wait until he has Porter coming from the other side, Brady always plays terrible against the fins.
Posted: 12:25 PM   by Anonymous
Brian D. Adams could you be more of a dope?

Any of what moves? Trading a fourth roun pick to take a chance on a talented by immature receiver? Drfting a safety who'smade some bad decisions but who they think will help them?

News for you stupid...None of the things the Pats have done this off season are remotely Snyderesque.

You're almost as big a moron and the Colts fan wo said Brady's ove rated.
Posted: 12:26 PM   by Anonymous
Whatever. If the Pats didn't haave Belichick they would be a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. All this talk about Brady being the one of the greats is a bunch of BS. Put him on the Texans and all you would have is another Joey Harrington. Moss is going to prove it.
Posted: 12:26 PM   by Anonymous
First Terrel Owens gets a big contract in Dallas and now Moss goes to N.E. So much for clamping down on people with character issues...
Posted: 12:27 PM   by Anonymous
A fourth for Moss? If it's a gamble, then the Pats are playing at the $5 dollar table. Low risk, huge upside, and a restructured contract - it's win-win.
Posted: 12:28 PM   by Anonymous
Brady does turn the ball over in critical situations:

Last year's AFC Championship game.

SB against CAR when he threw a crucial pick in the ENDZONE! (If Carolina's kicker didn't kick out of bounds, the Panther's may have won that game).

Let's not forget the FUMBLE against the Raiders in the Divisional game. It was a FUMBLE no matter how it turned out. Why didn't he just hang onto the ball.

Brady is good, not great. He turns the ball over in clutch situations, period.
Posted: 12:29 PM   by Carl
The key to the Pats success has been the professional ethos of the entire organistion. Stars are made from not only their individual performance but how well they help their other teammates perform. Everybody has responsibility and a chance to shine. May sound like Pop Warren footballl, but the Pats prove it's a fact. Carl Gage, CT
Posted: 12:29 PM   by BLITZER
THERE ARE 31 TEAMS IN THE NFL, AND THEN____THERE ARE THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!! PATS FANS BUY YOUR TICKETS NOW FOR ARIZONA S.B.42!!!!!!
Posted: 12:30 PM   by JPo
Anyone remember what happened to Doug Gabriel? If he's a problem Moss, like the other former-Oakland wideout, will be out the door without hesitation. He knows that the Pats are deep enough. The Pats now have an offense as prolific as the Colts' used to be (Marvin-Moss, Wayne-Stallworth, Stokely-Welker)...and a much better D.
Posted: 12:30 PM   by Anonymous
Yeah Moss is getting older...RIIIGHT. The PATS worked him out this week and he ran a 4.29 and a 4.30 in the 40, which would make him in the top 10 in the entire NFL including the draft. Sour grapes is the order of the day because the Pats are the only team he would restructure his contract for...
Posted: 12:31 PM   by Anonymous
"This is a team that should have defeated Indianapolis in the AFC Championship Game "

Did they? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So please let the teams decide it on the field next year. Let the best team win!!!
Posted: 12:31 PM   by Anonymous
why do so many folks do the Chicken Little thing with BB leaving after this season?...he's only in his 50s, he LOVES his job and he has the best team in the NFL...why would he - or anyone in his place - walk away from that?...crazy thinking...
Posted: 12:31 PM   by nfl fan
I'm disappointed in NE if this happens. Moss is a selfish, lazy cancer, and doesn't deserve to be on a team of this caliber (let alone any NFL team, in my opinion). The Pats usually go with character guys, and Moss has got zero. This would be unfortunate.
Posted: 12:33 PM   by Anonymous
Moss does make the offense more explosive. However, it's not going to be as easy as you all think. If Bruschi or Vrabel go down they have ZERO ILB depth behind them. On top of that, who do they have in the secondary? Wilson and Harrison get hurt every year and Asante Samuel's being a whiny little baby about the franchise tag. They'll be good, but they are far from invincible.
Posted: 12:33 PM   by Anonymous
While Indy and NE are trying to win titles, most of the rest of the league are fighting for 8 wins and playoff loses.

NE looks tough, but they lost in the playoffs b/c lack of speed at linebacker and deficiencies in the secondary. Against the Colts they'll still try to run the football. WR's was not why they lost in the playoffs.
Posted: 12:33 PM   by Snort
That's nice and all but lets see if they can sew up the interior defense. They got chewed up by Indy and had no answer.

Of course, now they may way out score teams.
Posted: 12:36 PM   by Anonymous
I think I see the strategy now. The Patriots are going to send wave after wave of receivers at teams and just run them off the field. I am more concerned about their running attack myself. They lost a solid runner in Dillon and haven't really done much to fill the void. Maroney is a good back, but he had only a few good games last year and is still largely unproven.
Posted: 12:37 PM   by Anonymous
smells like desperation
Posted: 12:38 PM   by Anonymous
The great thing about the NFL is that any team can beat another one. Pats are good, but, we are short sighted to say that they should have beat the Colts in the championship game. I remember when the other horse team beat the unbeatable Packers in a Super Bowl.
Posted: 12:38 PM   by Anonymous
Even after adding Moss, the Pats are still worse than the Colts in almost every position on offense. They might be better at the thirs receiver position, but that is it. Manning is better than Brady, Harrison is better than Moss, Wayne is better than Stallworth, Clark is better than any of their TE's, and the Colts O-Line is the best in the business.

Now the defense is another story entirely. The Colts lost some of their better players from an already mediocre defense. When these teams play for the AFC Championship, it will be a high-scoring game for sure.
Posted: 12:39 PM   by Anonymous
Jet's Jet's Jet's
I give up! Being an avid Jet's fan I just can't believe The Moss thing.The Pat's were already loaded up with wide-receivers and now they get Moss.It's almost like cheating..I see the Pat's having an unbelievable year.
Now lets see what Brady can do..
I know we'll have to just sit back and watch....td's td's td's.
Posted: 12:42 PM   by Anonymous
All hail the Patriots?? I dont think so. The Pats would have been fine with Stallworth, Washington, and Walker (all fine players although not all-stars), in addition to their current WRs. The Pats are a team built on team concept; they all succeed because their teammates do their jobs thanklessly. Moss has openly stated that he doesnt go 100% on every play. He had ideal situations in MIN and OAK and he ruined them. This move brings unneeded hype to a team that thrives on the underdog role. Watch out for that first loss, or that first game when moss has 30 yards recieving and starts being "himself". Mark it down, the Pats are not going to the Super Bowl.
Posted: 12:43 PM   by Anonymous
Watch Bilious Belichek's bile bag burst as his desperate moves go bust. Colts repeat in '08.
Posted: 12:50 PM   by Anonymous
Given the Pats run a 3-4, in which the D line has some major differences in strategy, technique, and purpose, they do in fact have one of best, if not the best, D lines in the game. They may not rack up as many sacks as 4 man lines that cover-2 schemes use, but in covering for the linebackers and shutting down gaps they excel like few others.
Posted: 12:54 PM   by Jon from Boston
This move makes that pats the Best team on paper in the NFL.. the best defense and NOW the best offense.

Pats will now break the dolphins record. 16-0......... P.A.T.S .... pats pats pats...
Posted: 12:56 PM   by Anonymous
The Pats fans are definitely excited. A little too much. Moss was great indoors with the Vikings. Since when has he even been the same? In Oakland Moss was part of a really good WR group, and yet nothing. Moss has poor work ethic, has lost a step, and is definitely aging...not to mention his attitude overall is horrible.

Moss will get 700 yards and 5 TDs in '08...definitely not enough to stop the Pats slide.
Posted: 12:57 PM   by Anonymous
T.O. to Philly (BUST!!) to Dallas (BUST!!) Randy Moss to Oakland (BUST!!)...New England (________!!, fill in the blank and it rhymes with UST!!)
Posted: 12:57 PM   by nathan
They're going to be very good, but the division has toughened up too. Look at how Miami will be able to bltiz them with Joey Porterand Channing Crowder. The Jets will be no easy task either, Thomas Jones is just a bruiser, and the Jets fought with them last year. Let's not get too in love just yet, Asante Samuel looks like he's going to hold out, and the CB depth is laughable. Patriots look like the favorite, but San Diego, Indy, Baltimore, Cincinatti, Jacksonville, Pitt, and Denver all are strong teams too.
Posted: 12:59 PM   by MattyDP
It is truly remarkable reading all these "Patriots are the new Yankees" comments. Do you people realize that the NFL has a salary cap, and the Patriots are spending no more money than the Colts? Except the difference is, the Colts locked up all their money in Manning, Wayne, and Harrison and have no money to spend in free agency like the Patriots.
Hey NE Will Choke - maybe no one has informed you but since the NFL has a SALARY CAP, it's impossible for any team to buy a championship. It's done by hard work by the front office and smart salary cap management. If you can get past your tears, read up on it! This is why the Pats consistently win and your team probably doesn't.
Posted: 1:04 PM   by Anonymous
'I feel sorry for the colts' is as moronic as it gets. They are defending champs, and average 13 wins a year. They are one of 3 legit title contenders in the NFL.

Perloff's opinion is equal to that of any of these other NE fans... its obvious
Posted: 1:06 PM   by dan - west roxbury, ma
i question the football iq of some of the authors above. i do not question the fear of colts and jets fans, and downright resentment of packers fans about this moss trade.

colts have lost their top two corners and drafted the kid from cal who is a bit slow. they play the cover two, you beat the cover two in the middle and over the top. in moss and stallworth, they can go right by that cover two. hey bob sanders, good luck getting to a jump ball with moss. hughes, you're a rook, can you keep up with stallworth, er nevermind. now in middle of the field is one of the best slot guys in the league in welker and one of the most athletic tight ends in football in ben watson. who do you cover, how do you stop it? oh by the way, maroney will have lanes to run through (muck like in his minnesota days a couple of years ago) because you can't stack up on the run at all. play action (brady has one of the best fakes) became that much more effective and the draws with faulk and maroney will be fun to watch.

Seymour, Wilfork, Warren - Name a better D-Line. thomas, vrabel, colvin, bruschi. Name a more versatile group of linbackers.

i ask one person, to address the above issues. if you can't tuck your tail between your legs and go back to watching your teams get outclassed in the cap and salary management department.
Posted: 1:07 PM   by Anonymous
lol you colts fans are hilarious... brady is overrated how about your boy peyton. He has always had an elite receiver good running back and a great offensive line so lets see what brady can do with some of the same toys. No knock on peyton but get out of hear calling brady overrated he has never had the tools peyton has. As for the colts you should have kept some of those defensive players because your going to need them. Defense wins championships not offense but it does seem that the pats might have a whole lot of both as long as the injury bug stays away.
Posted: 1:08 PM   by Anonymous
Randy Moss doesn't understand the concept of TEAM. Maybe that will change in New England?
Posted: 1:08 PM   by Anonymous
As a Vikings fan, I loved to watch Randy Moss . . . when he decided to play. He has/had all the physical tools to be the best receiver in NFL history, but unfortunately, he doesn't have the mental desire to do so. What a waste! I predict Moss will come in and have a couple of monster games, but then will begin to lose interest and will once again fade away . . . taking the Patriots with him.
Posted: 1:12 PM   by Anonymous
This is sheer lunacy. If any other team in the league made this deal the pundits would be wagging their fingers, saying that Moss will be a "cancer" and a "negative presence." The same is true of their first round pick, yet another punk from Miami, but he too is an angel all of a sudden. The fact is that, talent-wise, the current Patriots squad does not shine a light to those Super Bowl-winning teams of four and five years ago. Character-wise? Fans and the pundits will decide for themselves, but it'll be interesting to watch Moss lolly-gag around the field and then read King/Banks nevertheless shower unconditional praise on Belichick and Patriots management for acquiring him.
Posted: 1:13 PM   by Derek
Obviously this makes them the team to beat in the NFL, not just the AFC. The winning attitude in the NE locker room will fire up Moss to play to the limits of his talents. The Pats=the class of the NFL. Everyone else is jealous...
Posted: 1:13 PM   by Anonymous
The Patriots are clearly a good team and well run organization. However, the Colts are the team to beat as the defending champs. As a Broncos fan I clearly hope neither team wins the AFC.

As per the analogies to the Yankees, I don't think the Pats are trying to buy a team (salary cap). However, what the Yanks have shown us repeatedly over the last few years is picking up high profile players doesn't guarantee a championship...let's see how it plays out.

The willingness of the Raiders to trade Moss to an already good team, combined with their willingness to trade him to their enemies, the Broncos, shows how messed up that organization is - particularly when it is in exchange for a measly 4th rounder. The league should require Davis to sell for the sake of integrity.
Posted: 1:14 PM   by BerPhi
As a Baltimore Ravens fan this is a very sad day.

They might as well put the Patriots name on the Super Bowl trophy RIGHT NOW.

It does seem UNFAIR that Brady and the Patriots get Moss. The happiest man in America right now is Tom Brady.

While I am sad because the Ravens wont be winning the Super Bowl next year, I am very happy for Moss because he is not in the IDEAL situation.

Brady and Moss are going to be on Sportscenter ALOT.
Posted: 1:14 PM   by Anonymous
as a pats fan, I am excited about the receiving core. I just worry about the age of the LBs- can Bruschi, Vrabel, et. al. hold up over another season? I also worry about the secondary. Will Harrison be healthy? Don't forget people view Samuel as a shutdown corner now and are unlikely to throw his way. Will the #2 cb hold his own? Beyond the defense, can Lawrence Maroney hold up over an entire season as the featured RB? The pats over the years have won with defense, not necessarily offense.

Pats should have a great year, but they still have questions and they aren't SB champs just yet.
Posted: 1:18 PM   by Anonymous
Let's call a spade a spade here and start talking about the Patriots along with the other teams that get players for 50 cents on the dollar just because the players think they can win there. Patriots, you belong with the Yankees and Lakers of a few years ago. We officially all want to see you lose.
Posted: 1:19 PM   by Anonymous
"Clark is better than any of their TE's"

No way is Clark better than Watson.
Posted: 1:19 PM   by BerPhi
I am not a Patriots fan per se but, I must give props where they are do. They are a great organization.

Randy Moss will light the NFL up this year, put up MONSTER numbers and make the pro bowl and reclaim his position as one of the best wide receivers in the NFL.
Posted: 1:19 PM   by Anonymous
Winning is the best chemistry.
Posted: 1:21 PM   by Mike
It's gonna be next to impossible to stop the Pats offense this coming year. With Moss lined up opposite Stallworth, Watson and Thomas at TE, and Moroney out of the backfield. It sounds like a fantasy lineup. As for Moss being trouble, we all know what he is capable of doing. He is still one of the most talented receivers in the game. He wants to win, and if he can't do it in this lineup, he just never will. You can go ahead and pencil in 12+ wins, and make your reservations for Glendale if you're a Pats fan. It's gonna be a great year.
Posted: 1:23 PM   by BerPhi
Moss IS..IS..IS..IS.. in the IDEAL SITUATION being with the Patriots..

Brady and Moss ... THAT IS NOT FAIR..
Posted: 1:24 PM   by Anonymous
It's really fun as a long time pats fan to sit at the top for a change,and listen to all the uninformed fans bash the pats.Colts fan's have a serious case of the little man syndrome,and Oakland fan's still can"t get over the tuck rule.(that was just a little justice for the mystery roughing the passer call on suger bear Hamilton, if your a real raider's fan you know what i'm talkin about)
Posted: 1:26 PM   by mango
the rich getting richer... this deal is a no brainer for the Pats and has minimal risk to it. if Moss acts up- he's out the door. This should solidify a trip to Arizona for the Pats in february.
Posted: 1:30 PM   by Anonymous
The Patriots almost beat the Colts with Gaffney and Caldwell at Wide Receiver and now we have Stallworth and Moss...the Patriots have responded...here we come Colts!

Sincerely yours from 3 Super bowls,

Champ from Boston
Posted: 1:33 PM   by Mike
It's funny to read all of the "haters" comments about this deal. I know the Pats are the most hated team in the NFL, but I love it. They're hated because they win consistently. All you Colts fans are just sad becuse your team has done absolutely nothing this offseason, you're losing players, and your reign as champs will be short lived. Peyton finally got his, so I hope he enjoyed it. He won't see another for a while.
Posted: 1:35 PM   by bolaji
They are going to be the most exciting team in the NFL. Tom Brady finally has a superstar receiver to throw to.
Posted: 1:37 PM   by Anonymous
First of all, its impossible to buy a championship in a league with a salary cap. The patriots acquisition of superior veterans is a reflection of an incredible front office and a winning attitude. Players take pay cuts to play for the pats, no one else in the league, not even the colts can say that. Second of all Belichick isn't abandoning his strategy, he's doing what he's always done and addressing team needs. The only reason he hasn't made so many moves in prior offseasons is that there weren't bargain free agents available to fill positions where they needed help, and 4 years ago they did this same thing when they signed Rodney Harrison and Rosevelt Colvin in the same offseason to below market value contracts. So everyone can stop talking about a change in strategy, the patriots still improve by signing veterans to BELOW MARKET VALUE CONTRACTS and through the draft.
Posted: 1:41 PM   by Anonymous
This is ridiculous. As someone said earlier, Moss is poison to a locker room. Nobody should want to give away draft picks for someone with that lack of maturity and ethic, especially when we have PLENTY of receiving threats now, and there's serious questions regarding Maroney's ability to be an every down back and a possible hole in corner.
Posted: 1:42 PM   by Anonymous
all this blather about Moss's 'character' issues: his 'issue' is the exact same one Corey Dillon had--he gets disgruntled when he's on a crummy team. Oakland was the 'perfect situation' somebody said. Really? A team with no QB is a 'perfect situation' for a WR? A bottom-feeder team is the 'perfect situation' for a guy who wants to win? Not hardly. Moss will be fine in NE.
Posted: 1:42 PM   by Dave
Perloff needs to get off the Pattriots' nuts. The Pats "should've" beat the Colts last year? Whatever. The Pats got beat straight up and that classless ego-maniac Bill Belichek completely snubbed him after the game. It's going to be fun watching Randy tear that team apart. And Corey Dillon didn't have "questionable character"......he was just tired of losing in Cinci and finally got vocal about it. Who could blame him? The Pats will win thier division simply because there's no real competition.
Posted: 1:47 PM   by Anonymous
I am a HUGE Pats fan -- but before we go and crown these guys winners of the S-B -- let's remember they're things called INJURIES, and TEAMS -- like Miami and Jets and Buffalo who give us MUCHO problems; DENVER - w/or w/out Lewis who have our #, and Peyton + Adam who we haven't beaten in a few years...
LOVE Bill -- but let's not go overboard yet.
Posted: 1:48 PM   by justin
i could say something but my mind is blown! belichick is the best! randy was in the same position as dillon a couple of years back. he was tired of losing games and having team mates around him who did not give a damn. that can make you bitter. you will see the best of moss and stallworth this year because these guys just want to win.
Posted: 1:48 PM   by All teams have a salary cap
Whoever wrote "Patriots are starting to look like the Yankees and Red Sox, go out and try to buy a Championship." obviously doesn't know the NFL at all. The salary cap applies to all teams. And there isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't have enough money to hit it. The Patriots just know how to manage it the best.
Posted: 1:53 PM   by Anonymous
Colts fans are absolutely right. Wayne is better than Stallworth, Clark is the better TE, blah, blah, blah. The Colts win one superbowl after choking the last 6 years and they are a dynasty all of a sudden. What have the Colts done to get better this off season except lose players? The Colts may have more talented players, but the Patriots have a better TEAM. The Pats were one first down away from beating the Colts and have more that made up the difference...
Posted: 2:02 PM   by Anonymous
WOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
I love Moss. Fantastic player.
Belichicks genius will be in patching together the secondary and linebackers after the injuries that are bound to happen. This is going to be a fun year to be a Pats fan.

GO PATS!!!!
Posted: 2:08 PM   by Anonymous
Moss wants to go to NE to have a chance of winning a SB. So much so he's willing to renegotiate his contract. If Moss truely wants to win a SB and do the work then he'll be a success in NE. If not he just threw a bunch of money. He just may be at a point in his life that he realizes his opportunities will be limited to win a championship.
Moss in Oakland was a tradegy waiting to happen. They never put pieces together on either side of the ball to be competative. From Coaches to Players they always made questionable decisions.
NE viewed the talent in the draft weak so they looked to FA and got value in almost every case if the players perform. They see what they got and what they paid and there was definitely value there. NE got a steal. They gave up a 4th rd and got a Pro Bowler, who still is young enough to be a Pro Bowler. The chances of that happening with a 4th rd in this draft was slim. Even if Moss does not pan out I doubt that any NE fans will fault them for making the deal. There is just to much upside on this one. They gave up more to get Wes Walker, so the Moss deal was a no brainer.
Posted: 2:10 PM   by Anonymous
so much response for such an uneducated comment. Nobody is going to "easily beat the Bears". ever.
Posted: 2:22 PM   by Anonymous
Nobody easily beating the bears? Hmmm.....The Colts did not look to have much trouble in the SB beating them. And it will be easier with the 'Tank" in the tank, and Briggs causing a ruckus. He could be the Bears' Moss this year. Da Bears couldn't beat the Cards in '08 at this point.
Posted: 2:34 PM   by Anonymous
Come on!...the Pats adding a Randy Moss to a this New England locker room is ridiculous...the Pats have made a splash this off-season so deal with it NFL fans
Posted: 3:34 PM   by Anonymous
I love how everyone is saying "Moss will take this team down". The FIRST sign that Moss doesn't mesh with this team, or does something stupid, the Pats will cut him immediately. Moss won't have any opportunities to be a cancer in this locker room. It's win-win....If Moss stays in line, he has the shot at a Super Bowl, if he acts up, Oh well, the pats lost a 4th round pick. WELL worth the gamble
Posted: 3:44 PM   by Anonymous
Patriots = The new Yankees. Enough said.
Posted: 4:06 PM   by MJP
PATS GOT ROBBED by the refs or would have been in the Super Bowl.

PLEASE the team had the flu but if we were up 28-0 and not flagged for a bad call in the endzone Pats would have been in the SB. NOT the Colts who the refs kept in the game.
Posted: 4:25 PM   by Anonymous
one of you said brady turns the ball over in key situations...name a quarterback who never has. Unless i'm mistaken, Peyton Manning threw four picks in the AFC championship a couple years ago. And Asante Samuel returned one for a TD in the AFC championship this year. Manning turns the ball over a hell of a lot more in important situations than brady ever has. And the colts have had the best receiveing corps in the league for the last four years, but now that the patriots finally have some decent receivers, they're "rich getting richer". How does that work?
Posted: 4:31 PM   by Anonymous
Randy Moss and "TEAM" Ball being mentioned in the same sentence? I laughed. Now lets get the opinions of people who have actually played and KNOW football and get thier take on this.


Randy is a cancer, injury prone (he hasnt played a full season in 3 years) and has lost a step. Now that he's coming on the wrong side of 30, its all downhill from here.

As a Bronco fan, im sad to see him leave the Raiders and our division. The guy flat out sucks.
Posted: 5:25 PM   by Anonymous
How can anyone be worried (or hope for Pats haters) that Moss will wreck the locker room? If he acts up they can afford to can him, eat the money and they'll still have a better receiving corps than last year. The Pats have been good at bringing in vets that might be a little past peak but burn to win the big one before their carriers are over. The other side of the coin is Asante Samuel who got his rings young and will now go for the biggest bucks even if it's on a loser. The Pats front office has done a great job balancing the two.
Posted: 5:29 PM   by Anonymous
Patriots are the Yankees? How stupid! The NFL has a REAL salary cap not a phoney 'fine' system cap like baseball. The comments smells of jealous whining.
Posted: 6:13 PM   by Anonymous
When I read all of these comments, I think one thing. JEALOUSY!!!!!!
Posted: 6:21 PM   by Anonymous
Who else but the Patriots WOULD win the AFC this year? The Colts haven't done anything to get better and barely beat New England in the conference title game, Baltimore's offense will still be a wreck, and the Chargers have no idea what they're doing right now.

It's the same old tired story, the Patriots will win the AFC and probably the Super Bowl.
Posted: 6:38 PM   by Anonymous
The New England Patriots will surely field an amazing team next season, but as a great man once said (or a greatly quotable man), it may be too early to get out the anointing oil just yet. The Pats are stacked, this is certainly the truth, I have very little doubt that Randy Moss will return to Pro Bowl form next season, but we're forgetting that there is another extremely stacked team in the AFC known as the San Diego Chargers. The Chargers still have Ladainian Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, Shawne Merriman, etc and QB Phillip Rivers will only be better next season with an added year of experience. Keep your eyes on week two for an early indication of where the balance of power lies in the AFC. The Patriots may just have acquired the most physically gifted wide receiver of his generation, but the Chargers have last season's MVP and a favorite for defensive player of the year next season. Having the best player on the both sides of the ball is not a quality that should be overlooked.
Posted: 6:40 PM   by Anonymous
The football gods have blessed NE
Posted: 7:05 PM   by Anonymous
I'm a Pats fan.

So with that I want to say the Colts are the team to beat next year until they lose in the playoffs. We always complained about being disrespected even though we were Super Bowl Champs, so give Indy their due.

Now that I've gotten that out of the way. You better watch your back Indy...because the Pats, Chargers, Broncos, and Ravens are gunning for you.
Posted: 7:37 PM   by Anonymous
I think this is one of the best teams assembled all around assembled if they dont win it all this season..but hey the patriots are gonna win it all baby
Posted: 8:20 PM   by Anonymous
Randy Moss is the ANTI-Patriot. He won't be able to turn into a team-first guy -- that's just not who he is. When he got traded to Oakland, everyone started talking about how good he would be for the team, and how mature he had become. Since when has this guy ever NOT been a distraction to his team?? Under ideal circumstances, a player with Moss's talent is a steal for a 4th round pick. But circumstances, in this case, are not ideal.

I think the Pats dropped the ball on this one. Not only will Moss be a distraction, but this only increases the pressure on New England to win the big one, again. Then again, maybe they'll still be able to get one good year out of him, like the Eagles got from TO. Moss will start to complain as soon as Brady has one of those famous games where 25 different receivers have a catch. It's a shame, because Moss came into the league with such incredible talent, only to squander it.

The only Moss in the NFL that's still any good is Santana.
Posted: 8:41 PM   by Anonymous
obviously the Pats are now the most stacked team in the nfl. I would not say that it is a given they will win it all but their chances are def. the best. and to anyone who says Bradys is just good and not great...you are an IDIOT!!!!he's already a hall of famer. oh yea and the pats are the yankees..salary cap people know what your talking about...we all know next years champs will either be the colts or pats...but the pats have the best chances as their offseason has been much better then the colts. who's defense has gotten worse..go pats
Posted: 8:46 PM   by Anonymous
The Pats have class.......haahah yeah they prove that with the thugs they have on D, also against Sd in the playoffs last year, also by drafting that safety also by trading for the notorious Moss. Yea Class through and through.
Posted: 9:49 PM   by at94hiker
Just remember all you Patriot Haters if Moss turns out to be a bust, like Doug Gabriel, he will be sent packing. So the concept of Moss bringing the Pats down dosn't fly here. Stop hating and start doing your homework.
Oh by the way a 6.75 million pay cut per year isn't a move you would expect from Moss. Maybe he is ready to change.
Posted: 11:40 PM   by Anonymous
Anything short of total domination of the NFL and a SB will be falling short for this Patriots' team.
They went from having no WRs to having the best WR group in the NFL.
And they also picked up the best LB available in the draft.
If they stay healthy, the season is over already for the other 31 teams.
Posted: 1:29 AM   by Anonymous
We'll know more on Sept. 16 -- Bolts vs. Pats.
Posted: 6:22 AM   by Anonymous
Anybody that thinks this is a marriage made in heaven needs to wake up. The first time Moss half-speeds a play; pulls up on a play he's not the target; and blows up at the Golden Child of New England - and the fans in Foxboro will come to realize what the Vikings and now the Raiders got a painful lesson in... Of all the teams to give a home to that cancer we know as Moss, the Patriots - a team that is the most selfless of any team I've ever seen (and I'm a Broncos fan) - and they put the poster-boy for showboaters on their team. There's a little thing called chemistry on NFL teams. The Patriots *had* it. They've just thrown a large helping of sewer water into that chemistry.
Posted: 12:11 PM   by bramlog
The Moss equation is the same as the Dillon equation was a few years ago - does this veteran offer us better stuff than a 4th rounder? Anyone who disputes Moss's credentials in this regards is smoking something. Team chemistry is not a concern - there is Brady, Vrabel, Bruschi, the O-line, Harrison - all guys with bling bling blings on their fingers. The team and organization has survived Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, and perhaps even Asante Samuel - the "pay me" types. A poor-playing Moss is - may I dare say - inconsequential. In spite of the Adalius Thomas acquisition, I am still most concerned about their linebacker, defensive back situation - Defense always wins the big game. A minor concern is physical/mental lapses in the O-line. As long as Brady is upright, we have a chance at the title. Anybody who doubts Brady has to just watch the San Diego game - folks curse San Diego for gaining a defeat from the jaws of victory - but none of the other 31 teams in the NFL other than the Pats could have won that game in that situation. Brady was/is the difference maker.
Posted: 12:25 PM   by Anonymous
It is a low risk aquisition for the Pats, and definately puts them at the top of the league in talent.

There are still some concerns here in Patriot Nation though:

1. The running game could be trouble. Maroney, although promising, is unproven and did not look good running up the middle last year -- he had difficulty breaking tackles, with his best success coming from busting outside. Whether he can bang inside and grind out yards is a big issue.

2. The recieving corp, especially the proposed starters (moss, stallworth and welker) are all unfamiliar with the Pat's complicated read-based offense, so there will be some down time while they learn the system and adjust to Brady. I expect them to be good, but it will take half a season to get there. Let's hope Moss does not implode before then, as he will have a huge microscope on him in NE.

3. The defensive backfield is still a question mark. If Asante signs and Harrision is 90% of his old ways, its probably gonna be ok. But, even last year, Harrison was starting to look old, and Wilson looked lost at times without him. Hobbs is not a great corner and can get exposed. The secondary backup is ok, but not steller. Merriweather should help, but again it may take a while to adjust.

4. The linebackers are going to need some adjustment time. Bruski and Vrabel are a year older, and vrabel is playing out of position at inside linebaker. The backups there are week, and if the Pats don't sign a veteren ILB, there could be problems with interior run defense.

Overall, however, these are the only issues I see. The trenches on both sides of the ball are excellent, and Brady is a fine QB. I think every team has holes, but if everything falls into place, the Pats will be hard to beat this year in the playoffs. I put them at 12-4 this year, as it will take the first 8-10 games to get the offense and new receivers on the same page with Brady.
Posted: 12:34 PM   by Realist
Judt rember boys, one twisted knee can ruin the playoffs. That's why they make 'em play the games.
Posted: 12:56 PM   by Anonymous
Looks to me like Bill B. is trying to take a page from his old mentor Parcells. Tuna was well known for his ability to turn around players with "character issues" at one point in his career, and Belichick was able to learn a lot from him.
The downside to this strategy, Belichick is *not* Parcells. The upside to this, Belichick has a team system in place that has worked really well for the last few years and so he has a lot of backup from all corners of the locker room.
Personally, I would have suggested trying it out on a rookie or two first (like Merriweather) who would be easier to influence that a vet with Moss's experience and reputation. But hey, its an experiment. Bill wouldn't have taken it on if he didn't think it had a good chance, and Moss's willingness to negotiate contract terms suggests that he is trying to meet the Pats at least half way on the whole "team" thing.
Posted: 3:50 PM   by Anonymous
WOW! The New England Patriots have a great chance at winning the super bowl in Arizona. Many people say that they will go undefeated. Thats a bit far feched. If you look at the Pats '07 schedule, you'll see that theire is the toughest in the league. I dont care how accurate of an arm manning has, with Belichik at the relm, and Thomas leading the linebacking core, and Brady throwin balls to Go-to-guys such as Moss, Stallworth, and Welker, They are definatly my pick to win it all. As far as the Moss thing goes, I think that Bill can make players to the best of their ability and hes such as good coach that it probably wont matter even if this guy has had some bad experiences in the NFL, you can NEVER TAKE TALENT OUT OF A GREAT PLAYER! This guy (Randy Moss) has some serious talent.
Thats all,
GO PATS
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