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5/09/2007 01:59:00 PM
Tough luck Donovan
Donovan McNabb said he was "shocked" the Eagles selected a quarterback in the second round of last week's draft.
Ten days after the draft, the one pick that still is causing a stir is the Eagles' selection of quarterback Kevin Kolb with the No. 36 overall pick. Donovan McNabb said he was shocked by the pick, but would do his best to help the rookie. But it didn't take long for the media to create a minor storm in Philly.
I don't think there will be an old-fashioned QB controversy any time soon. This is McNabb's team and he's still a Pro Bowl-level player. But I do think we can read a lot into what the selection means and it's not all good for McNabb.
1. McNabb is not going to get Tom Brady-Peyton Manning money.
Philadelphia papers reported contract talks between McNabb and the Eagles didn't go very well last fall before he tore his ACL. McNabb is due $5.5 million this year, $6.3 million in '08 and close to $20 million combined for '09 and '10 -- money he wouldn't likely see. Philly is known for drafting players at positions where veterans are facing tough negotiations (e.g. taking Ryan Moats while they had Brian Westbrook) and not showing much love for veterans over 30. McNabb is 30.
2. Kolb is the real deal.
Although the Eagles may very well have considered McNabb's contract, don't think that means Kolb is merely a bargaining chip. The Eagles probably had Kolb ranked higher than Brady Quinn and knew several other teams were interested in taking the Houston QB. The NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported one team -- my guess is the Jaguars -- had Kolb ranked as the 12th best player in the draft. One source close to Kolb told me the Patriots were looking closely at him and were a candidate to take him at No. 28 before they dealt the pick (talk about a selection that would have raised eyebrows). The Packers were also interested in Kolb (sorry Aaron Rodgers). The fact that teams like New England and Philly liked him is a great sign. I think the Eagles believe they drafted a future Pro Bowl quarterback, which is the NFL's most precious commodity.
3. For better or worse, the Eagles are comfortable with their WR corps.
They had a shot at Robert Meachem, Craig Davis and Anthony Gonzalez with the No. 26 pick before they traded it to Dallas. Then they could have selected Sidney Rice, Steve Smith or Dwayne Jarrett at No. 36. They head into camp with Kevin Curtis, Reggie Brown, Bethel Johnson, Greg Lewis and Hank Baskett at receiver. The only receiver that has really jelled with McNabb as a No. 1 receiver is Terrell Owens and there isn't a receiver half as good as T.O. in Eagles camp. This is one issue McNabb definitely has a right to be concerned about.
4. The Eagles aren't comfortable with McNabb's lack of durability.
McNabb appears on track to recover from his ACL injury and be on the field midway through the preseason. But he has played more than 10 games in only two of the last five seasons.
5. The Eagles may be rethinking their offense after last year.
Maybe they learned something when Jeff Garcia was at the helm. McNabb even admitted Philly was scoring too quickly last season when he was racking up huge numbers before the injury. Kolb doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength of McNabb, but Kolb's accuracy makes him a great fit for the kind of ball-control offense the Eagles used to win their last five games of '07.
Do you think the Eagles are drafting Kolb as an investment for their future? A year ago there was talk about teams drafting a QB, developing him, and then trading him for a better pick (or picks) in the future. The Eagles used a 36 pick. What if in two years they can develop Kolb, and trade him for something more valuable then the 36 pick they used? Also, this in a year when the draft was supposedly weak. Why not try to turn this years number 36 into something more valuable in the future?
Still, that kind of talk is just stupid. The big reason McNabb won't get hurt again this year is ex-detroit headcoaching failure and offensive playcalling genius, Marty M. The balance of run to pass will ensure that Super 5 doesn't have to carry the load, thus extending his playing career.
I'd like to point out that it seems that playing like crap is considered by many--especially the ill-informed and copycat media--to be more desirable than getting injured for less than half the year for a couple seasons. (See Brett Favre.) This, too, is stupid beyond belief, but people will change their tune once Super 5 takes the Eagles to the promised land this year.
Being a huge Eagles fan, I love McNabb and his great personality both on and off the field. Unfortunately though, the team has to be prepared for what has become a regular McNabb injury every season. We were lucky to have Garcia last year but we definitely need to start grooming a young quarterback for the future. I completely trust Andy Reid's decision in selecting Kevin Kolb. The coach is always thinking of getting the Eagles to the Superbowl. For this season though, McNabb is our only hope. Go Eagles!!!
This move shouldn't have surprised Donovan McNabb or anyone else. Considering both McNabb's recent health issues and the fact that the saviour of their season from last year left via free agency, it is completely expected that they needed to address the backup quarterback position either high in the draft or in free agency.
Oh, and very good point by the person above. There's certainly the possibility the Eagles are trying to emulate the Matt Schaub method...
Either way they'll be mediocre but tough again this year, and will probably grab a wildcard spot and exit in round one.
Get over yourself don. You are merely a part on the eagles and what jeff did after your injury should be a wake up call that you can be replaced. You replaced someone and it is inevitable that one day you will also be replaced. It is the cirlce of life, get over yourdelf and your shock.
I think it's a long overdue reality check for McNabb...season-ending injuries 3 of last 5 years; questionable leadership on the field (who wants to play all year only to have your QB puking at the Super Bowl (after 4 championship games to get there). McNabb's a great QB but the Eagles have to question whether he's got enough to get over the hump.
Kolb probably wont see the NFL stage for a few years. McNabb is their guy. Everyone is knocking him because of the losses that occured when he was QB last year before his injury... HELLO?!? If he could play D as good as he plays QB, they could have won all those games. The Defense lost them those games, not him. I, as an Eagles fan, was shocked that they took a QB but also looking at their current draft, I agree with Andy Reid.. they didnt really need any players. Maybe a corner, maybe a safety... thats about it. They got Spikes through trade and a few good DT's in FA. Brian Dawkins still plays like hes in his 20's, full throttle, so the need there wasn't as great. This team is going places. Marty and Andy will put together an offense like last year for McNabb to stay in the pocket and run the ball like they did. As for the "top receiver".. When has McNabb ever REALLY had a top receiver besides TO? Never.. He is good enough to spread the ball around and use all his weapons.. now whether they catch the ball is a different story.. thats not his fault on droppped passes..
The only team in the NFC that looks strong to make a run for the SB is either New Orleans or Carolina. Everyone is saying Dallas and the Bears again but how good is Romo or Grossman to lead those teams? D wins championships but the offense is needed to get there.
Eagles back to the top of the NFC, if not wild card this season. Go Eagles.
Give the man a chance to prove himself on the field. Every year there is something surounding Mcnabb that he has to address with you guys. I'm sure he'd like to stay quiet, but all the articles, and media speculation make it virtually impossible to stay mute and not have it develop into a more serious problem. Not by the Eagles, or their fans, but by the media. All I know is every year there is something from the EAGLE camp that makes reporters salivate. Sure the EAGLES drafted a QB, sure Mcnabb may have finished 3 of the past 5 seasons on the bench. I wonder why you can't let it play out on the field. Mcnabb has proved himself time, and time again when the media has turned their sights on him. First the was the Rush Limbaugh fiacso, then the T.O. drama, now we have the Kolb issue, a non issue in my opinion. Pro is the only way we can characterize Mr. Mcnabb for how he has handled all these media driven situations. I would just like to see an offseason for the Eagles that has nothing to do with Mcnabbs personal feelings (not by his choice) on BS issues. Let the man play. Criticize, and question after his career is over. Hopefully as a HOF, Superbowl winning QB. You want a good scoop, go talk to Adam Schefter. Maybe he can loan you guys something worth writing about.....
You know, I used to really have a lot of respect for Donovan, but he has turned into such an enormous tool since last season. First he and his Mom can't just shut up and congratulate Jeff Garcia without voicing really me-first sentiments about how "poor Donovan" will feel with Garcia doing well. Then, the Eagles have to cut a great backup in Garcia to keep McNabb from going all soft about competition. Now, he's complaining because the Iggles took a pick that might (not will) replace him in a few years?!? This is the NFL. Every player should be pushed. A player that is often injured and plays a critical position on a team shouldn't be so surprised when his club drafts a competent backup. This is the Eagles Donovan, not the Philly McNabbs. Shut up. Play your position. Focus on the team instead of our own whiny fears. Yeech.
Get over yourselves, people. AJ Feeley and Kelly Holcomb are solid backups, but both have no potential as starters...not to mention they are both as old as McNabb. WHY NOT take a player who has a reputation as being extremely athletic with TONS of potential. No NFL team thinks he can start right away, let alone in 1-2 years. He (Kolb) is going to sit and learn and not see any playing time until McNabb calls it quits or Kolb is traded. If McNabb hurt, Kolb STILL won't play because Holcomb and Feeley are more capable of shouldering the load.
All I can say is McBadd is overrated and it is high time that the Eagles do the right thing and look elsewhere for a durable long-term answer at QB. I just hope for poor Kolb that the fans of Philly don't do what they did to Cunningham and McBadd, expect him to win the Super Bowl without a true WR corps, or even one good WR.
Wasn't the puking incident on the field in the Super Bowl related to a hit McNabb had taken earlier? I think that's more of a ding against his durability than his leadership.
I'm not an Eagles fan, but I've always liked McNabb. Unfortunately I think his window is closing. His injury problems are likely to get worse as he gets older, and I think it makes a lot of sense for the Eagles to groom a successor. Ideally Kolb will be on the sidelines with a clipboard for the next three years, but unfortunately I don't think McNabb will be that healthy.
I think that they took kolb as a trading chip. Detroit and Miami were both still picking behind them and both had a strong need for a quarterback after passing on Quinn. Beck and Kolb were neck and neck to be the third QB off the board. I think that they took Kolb to get another draft pick out of one of those two teams but they didnt bite and they got stuck with him. So what Kolb will be like Philip Rivers and sit for two years and then the Eagles will have a choice to make then.
"...he has played more than 10 games in only two of the last five seasons."
Add his injuries to the fact that he has annoying parents and has fallen short on the big stage and it reminds me of Eric Lindros all over again. Eventually, I think we will all get worn down by this soap opera and just want to move on. It stinks because I like the guy.
I don't know if you all realize, but it takes quiet a bit of time to develop a quaterback in this league to be a true pro-bowl caliber player. Kolb will have the chance to spend two or three season learning from Donnie, who WILL go down as the best quarterback in our history when its all said and done. He has played in the system for 8 years now and knows it better than maybe any QB in the NFL knows his respective system. Kolb couldn't ask for a better mentor than Mac and he's actually said it himself. This is how you stay on top in the NFL kids. You cant draft a QB only when you absolutely need one and expect to stay on top, which is eactly what Big Reid wants to do. In three seasons Mac is in his twilight and guess what, Kolb is ready to go without having to get the crap kicked out of him like Russell and Quinn will in a few short months. No one is putting the franchise on Kolb's shoulders right now and that will help his comfort and confidence when he is ready to succeed THE GREATEST QB WHO HAS EVER WORN MIDNIGHT GREEN.(Or Cocaine Blue/Yellow for that matter)
You guys absolutely kill me. I'm a skins fan so I get to see mcnabb twice a year. Even when we had good defenses this guy killed us. Get to the superbowl and puke??? How many other qb's even get to the sb? And make no mistake, he was the reason they got there. TO wasn't even active the last part of the season or during the playoffs.
He didn't whine, he said he was shocked. Calling him Mcbadd and saying he shouldn't complain is ridiculous. Kolb won't play for years, and I don't think it was shocking for everyone that they took a QB everyone needs a future qb. BUT the problem is how high they took a QB. first pick of the second round is sending a message. If it were Peyton or Brady they wouldn't even think of drafting a qb in the second round, if at all.
Honestly, if they cut him and he goes to Chicago with a great cast he will be in the SB the same year.
Funny how everyone just assumes Kolb is going to be good. If he ends up being another early round QB bust and gets exposed all the Eagles will be left with is an angry star quarterback, Wide recievers who couldn't start for USC and an overpaid wet-noodle-armed backup with a coach who doesn't call running plays. That's enough to make you wish Dan Snider was your owner... OK maybe not.
Stupidity knows no bounds. The media keeps trying to invent a story here where there is none.
Wht take Kolb? If he develops (and that is a big IF), he either takes over if McNabb tails off or is traded Schaub style (or Feeley style). If he sucks, well there was really noone there at 36 who could have helped the Eagles this year (maybe Chris Houston).
McNabb says it's no big deal, Reid says it's no big deal, but the media have decided it is.
Oh, and for the people saying the Eagles might win a wild card. I said it last year at this time and I'll say it again -- the Eagles will win the NFC East, but this year it won't be close.
The last thing I am is a McNabb hater. The guy is the best QB that Philly has ever had. He's classy, he's a great athlete, and unlike others, I think that his leadership is solid (not impeccable, but solid).
However, the guy is 30 and injury prone. This is a fact that nobody can deny. And regardless of how long he's been on the team, and what he's done, he is no better than anyone else in that situation. Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor are two future Hall of Fame veterans who played their hearts out for the Eagles, only to get cut in favor of younger players.
McNabb has to adjust to the fact that he's replaceable and that the window may be starting to close on his career. If he remains healthy and focuses on leadership and winning, then he has nothing to worry about.
Over the last decade the Eagles have been in the top percentile of league teams in terms of on the field success and cap management. Until they are proven wrong, who are we to criticize?
Generally, both he kudos and criticisms of McNabb are correct. He is an extraordinarily talented and capable quarterback who has carried the Eagles for years, yet he has lapses in game management, accuracy problems, and durability issues that have prevented the team from achieving its ultimate goal.
As others had mentioned, the Eagles had consistent success when the offense was run by Jeff Garcia, a classic West Coast QB.
Matt Schaub was a 6th rounder, so grooming and trading him for what they got was a steal. The Eagles blew it, Mcnabb has at least 3-4 very good years left, and they are close to competing for a championship. They not only helped Dallas get someone to punish Mcnabb for 2 games a year, they then dratf a guy who will sit on the bench for 3-4 years. Meachem, Poz (even though I dont like him much) or a runner like Chris Henry(who would have been perfect compliment style wise to Westbrook). Now by the time Kolb is ready Tra Thomas, Runyan, Dawkins, and other vets will be gone.
McNabb and the other vets from the St. Louis NFC Conference loss, the Carolina embarrasment, to the Super Bowl meltdown (six balls on the turf, 4 turnovers) had beter realize their window is closing like crazy -- if not slammed shut. McNabb's 20 lbs heavier, five steps slower.
Even as a solid QB and Pro Bowler, the Eagles have to change this team soon. But my real concern is the Eagle brain trust. Reid and Company have a very sucessful program (look how they beat up on under 500 teams and up and coming playoff bound squads). But a maddening big game, top tier team, face plant broken record legacy.
Geeh Donovan do you think that you can actually finish a season. This guy is one of the most overrated players in the game. So let me get this straight. Donovan would rather there be no decent back up around so when (not if) he gets hurt he can stand around and watch his team lose. He can stand on the sidelines and show have valuable to his team he is. Maybe he can have his mommy give soup to all the players that actually play. Thank God we have Tom Brady.
Some of you really are idoits and make me ashame that you're Eagles fans like me. First, McNabb has at least 5 good years left. Don't forget the MVP talk before he got hurt. Yes he has been hurt the last few years but if Mr. Throw The Ball Every Damn Time Reid would change his play calling like they did when Garcia was quarterback, All-Pro McNabb wouldn't get hurt every year. I hope Kolb turn into a good player but we could have got a player that could help us win the SB this year or next. Terrible pick. -Church
I am a huge eagles fan too, and I trust Andy completely with the decsion to draft Kolb. Even though there is not a really great reason of drafting him now, I am sure he will have some kind of impact on this team in future years. And I agree, Donovan will not get injured this year, becuase of Marty M changing up the play calling. Don't worry my fellow Eagles fans, we will be at the top of the NFC once again this year
THe Eagles Draft sucked this year, we dont need a quarterback we have one. So he was injured 3 of the last 5 years but what other quarterbacks led us to the superbowl???Big deal if he puked, he's one of the best quarterbacks that we've ever had. As for Kolb he can wait until McNabbs ready to stop playing!I think at age 30 McNabb's still got it and tghis year SUper Five is going to lead us to our first superbowl!
OK. Why are we talking at all about the Eagles? I read in SI.com recently that the Patriots were the team to beat next year, and when was the last time an NFC team won the Super Bowl? I'm a Cowboys fan and yearn for the good ol' days when the NFC champ beat up the AFC champ regularly in the big game. As for Kolb, McNabb probably will get hurt again this year, and having a good backup is vital for any team to do well in the NFL. McNabb, considering his career injury quotient, had better do his best to work with Kolb.
Koolb won't take McNabb's spot until he is as good as McNabb... If the Eagles feel he is as good then he will be their QB, because he will be younger and cheaper. But the real reason I see this pick making sense is if you look at the Eagles from top to bottom there is good competition at almost every position, whiy
The key is that in the past couple of seasons, play calling has been pass heavy, and uninventive. When that happens, your QB is bound to get hurt, and the team is bound to lose games. The O has to keep the D off the field. Otherwise the D will just get picked apart like in the 2005 season. The best D is a good O.
And with McNabb's ability, if he gets the balance in calls Garcia was getting, he could easily stay uninjured, and lead the team to yet another division title, with a great shot at the SB. The best call Andy Reid made was letting Marty call the plays.
As for D-Mac 'crying', I suggest you people read his words and not the headlines...the media in Philly is making a bigger deal out of where he gave the interviews, because there was absolutely no story in what he said. So if you missed it, he basically said "I was surprised like everyone else, but I'm focused on my rehab and getting back. I'll work with the kid and try to do my best to keep him off the field for the next few years." How is that crying/being in denial? No wonder the man never wants to talk, everything he says is taken completely out of context.
A crybaby doesn't throw 4 TDs on a broken leg, or continue playing after getting sick on the field (how many of you sitting at an office would return to your desk after blowing chunks in the employee bathroom?). Dude handles everything with class and I for one am happy to back him up (or wait...would you rather bring doug pederson or rat ryan out or retirement?). And for all those McNabb haters...fine, keep talking; stay at home during a SB parade!
It doesnt matter either way Kolb or McNabb if you throw the ball over 40 times a game. The QB will get hurt. Plain and simple! If a team doesnt have to worry about the running game a QB will get hit all of the time which will cause injury.
McNabb isn't going anywhere people. The media is making a story out of nothing as usual (that's their job). When he comes back healthy next year, plays all 16 games + playoffs, and goes to the probowl, everybody will be saying Kolb who? This is years away people if it ever happens, if Donovan plays like he can and stays healthy, they just won't be able to let him leave.
Poor Donovan!!!! This guy is a model NFL citizen but always seems to be in the middle of some controversy! Thanks T.O.! Thanks Rush Limbaugh! Thanks Philly Media!Thanks Philly Fans! Why is he washed up at 30 when you have quaterbacks that last and are effective until they are almost 40? If Andy Reid would run the ball more he probably could have dodged and injury or two in the last few years. Nobody and I mean Nobody is more responsible for their team winning than McNabb is NOBODY!!!!!! Just think instead of McDougle they could have drafted Lawerence Marony and had a power back to hand the ball off to. Just think invest in some solid level headed receivers that are sure handed you can move the chains. Maybe and I hate to say this as a Eagle fan but Donovan may be better off somewhere else!
Well Andy Reid wastes another draft. Sorry, I'm not buying other teams interest in Kolb, he could've been had with their second 2nd round pick or maybe even their 3rd round pick. The only decent pick was Tony Hunt and the big question there is will he see any playing time? Reid's arrogance is surpassed only by his stubborness.
A few years ago the falcons used a second round pick to draft matt shaub. No one made a big deal about shaub replacing Vick. I see this as the same kind of situation, the eagles will develop kolb and then ship him off for a better pick.
The Eagles have been the class of the NFC East for the last six years. This is primarily due to the talents of McNabb and coach. The media is trying to stir up more issues than there really are. BS sell newspapers. D Nabb is and will be the leader of this team and I am looking forward to seeing him play and rack up MVP stats. Go Eagles, Go Donavan.
You would hope that Marty Morningweg would use a more balanced approach in order to prevent McNabb from getting hurt again. The problem is that if McNabb isn't allowed to throw 35-40 times a game, his feelings get hurt as his sensitive mind thinks that the coaches are not confident in him, and then his play suffers. Then Andy Reid, in an attempt to boost McNabb's fragile psyche, stops running the ball.
Here is my ideal scenario as a huge Cowboys fan. First game between Cowboys and Iggles - Spencer and Ware just punish the hell outta McNabb. Then McNabb blasts Reid and the Iggles front office for not only trading with the Cowboys, but even worse, allowing them to draft someone that can absolutely destroy their Franchise QB! Don't get me wrong, I have a ton of respect for McNabb and his ability. I don't want him to get hurt, just demoralized by getting sacked and blasted like the Iggles of yore did to Aikman!
One thing most people forget is that McNabb is a great QB, but he still has flaws. Sure he has the great numbers, but how often have you seen him take an easy over the middle slant pass to a WR, and throw it ten yards short into the dirt. Maybe the Kolb pick will motivate McNabb to improve his accuracy. Other than that, the Eagles have a great team going into the season, and competition is not a bad thing.
Kolb wouldn't play this year even if McNabb got hurt...that's why they went out and got Holcomb in the deal with the Bills (oh yeah, they got that Spikes guy too). With both Holcomb and Feeley in camp, Philly doesn't have to worry about a stop gap if McNabb gets injured (and he will). I think it is time for McNabb to show he can be a Brady type and gel with receivers of "lesser" caliber than T.O. Brady took it to mere points away from the Super Bowl and the Eagles have a better set of receivers than the Patriots did last year.