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1/02/2007 09:37:00 PM

Random thoughts for the new year

Carrie Underwood
First Carrie Underwood won American Idol. Now she's landed herself the Dallas Cowboys starting quarterback.
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Ten random thoughts, observations and questions to kick off the new year ...

1. Can you think of an athlete in any sport who had a quicker rise and fall than Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo? Think about it. He became a starter in Week 8 and went 5-1 in his first six games -- throwing just four interceptions -- and somehow got named to the Pro Bowl despite being a non-factor for about half the season. But now he's lost three of his past four games -- throwing six picks in that span -- and it's Armageddon in Big D. One interesting theory I've heard about Romo's struggles: The Saints did a number on him in Week 14 because New Orleans coach Sean Payton was Romo's former offensive coordinator and he knew the quarterback's weaknesses. Since then, opponents studied the film and did whatever the Saints did.

2. It's hard to feel bad for Romo, though, when he's reportedly gone from dating Jessica Simpson to Carrie Underwood. Of course, the latest rumors are that the Romo-Simpson coupling was just a scam orchestrated by her father for free Cowboys tickets.

3. If you like to bet on college football, I seriously hope you've been riding the 'dogs since the weekend began. Starting last Friday with Kentucky's Music City Bowl win over Clemson, underdogs have covered 12 of 15 games. And Auburn, one of those favorites, covered a two-point spread with a three-point victory against Nebraska while looking as unimpressive as a bowl winner could look.

4. One 'dog who bit hard was Boise State. Here is the last 3:30 of the memorable Fiesta Bowl. Since this game was on Fox, I assume we won't be seeing it again on ESPN Classic anytime soon, so bookmark that clip. And give analyst Charles Davis credit. He called the Broncos going for a two-point conversion to win the game right away. However, we could've done without the tired and played-out discussion on college football's need for a playoff as the thrilling game was reaching its peak.

5. Speaking of that unbelievable game, how would you like to have missed the finish because your girlfriend was making you watch Real World/Road Rules Challenge: The Duel? That's what happened to the guy who runs must-read site, thebiglead.com. Now, I'm a big fan of The Duel. I have it on season pass. But MTV shows each episode approximately 750 each week. You have to explain that to your girlfriend, man.

6. Oh, no. Make it stop. After enduring relentless "will he or won't he" retirement talk about Brett Favre and Tiki Barber this season, Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor now is threatening to hang it up. So if he comes back for the '07 season, we'll constantly have to hear about what he'll do in '08. Great.

7. One thing about Favre. Can someone explain to me why he should come back next season when clearly he's just an average quarterback these days? He threw 18 touchdown passes and 18 interceptions this season and lost five fumbles. Last season, he threw 20 touchdowns and 29 picks and lost seven fumbles. Can the media please stop perpetuating this myth that Favre is still an above-average quarterback? And before any Packers fans write in to tell me a) I'm an idiot and b) Favre has no help, just remember this: Tom Brady barely has any decent wideouts and he threw 24 touchdowns and 12 interceptions this season. So just write in to tell me I'm an idiot.

8. While I'm picking on the media, here's one more complaint. Can we not bother asking coaches, managers, GMs, etc., if they're staying or going? They all lie. And when they say they don't know, that means they are leaving. This could be good news, however for Lions fans. General manager Matt Millen said Tuesday he'll never quit. In sports lingo, that means he'll step down by next week.

9. Nobody loves the NFL more than I do. But if the league doesn't think it has a serious issue that needs to be addressed about the behavior of its players, then it is sadly mistaken. Maybe the NFL knows it has a problem but also thinks since it's the king of sports and basically untouchable, the problems don't need to be fixed. But from the Cincinnati Bengals to Bears defensive end Tank Johnson to the horrible tragedy with Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams, the amount of dangerous off-the-field incidents involving NFL players is happening at an alarming rate.

10. In case you've been wondering what Kevin Federline has been up to while Britney Spears hits the town without underwear and passes out, excuse me -- "falls asleep" -- at nightclubs, and allegedly canoodles with Matt Leinart, just go to WWE.com to find out. K-Fed spent New Year's Day by getting attacked by WWE Champion John Cena. The video clip on the site is pretty amusing.

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Comments:

Posted: 10:36 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You're an idiot.
Posted: 10:37 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Underdogs are always the way to go. Especially in bowl and playoff games in any sport.
Posted: 10:39 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
So you dare me to make a comment of what the great Tom Brady did, and how bad Brett Favre really is eh? You sound like Simmons on espn...you from Boston? Was Tom playing behind 3 rookie O-lineman? Was Tom playing "catchup" for most of the season with one of the lowest rated pass defences in the league? Was Brett backed by what was arguably the best 1-2 RB situation next to Deuce/Reggie? And let's all keep this in context here...Brett's 37 years old...not 30. Give your head a shake Jimmy and quit trying to instigate interest in your slanted opinion.
Posted: 11:08 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Losing Darrett Williams to a tragic shooting like that is only a microchasm event that sadly happens in this country every single day. Darrett Williams was a football player. Tank Johnson is a football player. They are both people in a country that has a problem with guns (or at least people that do bad things with guns). Lets look beyond the fact that both of these people are football players. Athletes are representative of society. It is illogical and inconceivable that athletes will not mirror the society in which they are a product. NFL doesn't have a gun problem. NBA doesn't have a violence problem. MLB doesn't have a drug problem. America has people that use guns in unghastly ways, America has people that are violence prone, and America has people that use drugs. We are so naive to believe that atheletes that rise from within society will be different than what we see in society as a whole. We see good people in society, and we see folks that are not. That's what we see in sports. That's what we see in almost every profession. Athletes only mirror what we see in the streets of America. Maybe if we focus on fixing these systemic problems that face our children today, the children of tomorrow that just so happen to choose athletics will follow suit.
Posted: 11:09 AM, January 03, 2007   by Chuck
You obviously already know you are an idiot when it comes to Farve or you wouldn't have even gone there. Three rookies starting on the offensive line is just the beginning of the challenges for the team this year. I'm the idiot -for bothering to read your foolishness!
Brett Favre is not bad, just old. Should he still be playing? No, probably not, or maybe as a 3rd string, passing along his wisdom to the new crop. Better yet, retire, and move into position as a quarterback coach and show how mature and great you really are. Favre did amazing things throughout his career. Why does he want everyone to see him as a has-been quarterback trying desparately to hold on to one more glory day that will probably never come. If he wants the team he loves so dearly and has given him so much to succeed, it is best for him to step off the field, and put his talents to better use teaching the youngsters.
Posted: 11:11 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Agree Favre is not the same quarterback he was 10 years ago. But he could be the steadying influence a team like Miami or Jacksonville needs, much like Steve McNair has been for the Ravens. It just isn't going to happen in Green Bay.
Posted: 11:13 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
While I agree with all above comments, let me also remind you that Wisconsin was also an underdog(at least in the spread), and that while Brett had average numbers, they were still better numbers than most of the guys in the league. If you don't like this statment, remember, he's still putting up huge numbers through the air, with only one returning pro catching a large number of those balls. When every 20 something upstart quarterback gets compared to Brett, and falls short of him now at his age, you have some more looking to do.
By the way, I am still waiting for a midwest spin on sports, instead of the easterncoast and westcoast bias' that exist everywhere in sports.
Posted: 11:16 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
So Auburn's unimpressive, but they beat the spread?

11-2 in 2006 and averaging 11 wins a year over the past 3 years. Pretty impressive to me.
Tom Brady is an excellent quarterback and has the rings to prove it. People like me enjoy watching football when Brett Favre plays because he always entertains - and I don't mean like T.O. The media (you) created the circus around Brett and you don't like what you've wrought. Gee, I really feel bad for you. You're not an idiot, you're just not a fan of Brett. That's OK, we may not understand you but we can tolerate you while you bash the guy who makes football in Wisconsin worth watching and you give guys like Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb and Ben Rothlisberger a free pass. They are so good compared to Brett, at least that's what you keep telling us. You like em? Keep em'. We'll stick with the guy we got.
It's called "Value over Replacement Player". Yes, Favre isn't the same quarterback he was 10 years ago. And he's not Tom Brady. But it's not like there are fifty Tom Bradys just hanging around the house waiting for a call. Do you honestly think any of the 'available' QBs could've taken the Packers to greater than 8-8 this year?
Posted: 11:33 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Your an Idiot. To say Favre should hang it up is why the media knows nothing about a team sport. Stats don't mean much of anything in sports. He means much more than that. YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
Posted: 11:33 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Jimmy, don't let the comments get you down. You are 100% right about Favre. He's not a terrible QB, but he's certainly not anything special anymore. Yet the media still treats him like a top QB. It's nice to see someone point out that he's just average.
Posted: 11:36 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I'm glad you mentioned all the problems in the NFL. The NBA gets bashed whenever one of their players gets in trouble but the NFL gets a complete free pass. I guess as long as people can bet on the NFL, they don't care about anything else.
Posted: 11:50 AM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I really liked the blog about the shooting of Darrett Williams and how it mirrors society rather than the league. I think he's right about the prevalence of guns, etc., but we have to ask why rich young men in the NHL or professional golf for example aren't getting shot or getting arrested regularly like we do see with the NFL.
Posted: 12:01 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
An average Favre still beats most of the QB's in the NFL. Green Bay has no better options.
Every person who has called Traina an idiot is an idiot. All of you and John Madden should sit in a big circle, sing kumbayah and tell us how much Brett Favre is having out there while he throws another back breaking horrible pass. Here's the thing Favre is still a "decent" quarterback on 90% of his throws. Its the other 10% where he is absolutely atrocious and as bad as anyone in the league (sans Grossman, self-admittedly). For all you Favre lovers, he is about to break the TD record AND INT record.
Posted: 12:11 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre is better than average Jimmy:

These stats were taken from SI.com...

Attempts - 1st in the NFL
Completions - 5th in the NFL
Completion % - 26th in the NFL
Total passing yards - 6th in the NFL
Yards per attempt - tied 23rd
TD's - tied 13th
Int's - tied 14th
QB Rating - 25th
WINS - only 13 teams had better records than the Packers in 2006

Favre still has the spunk to be a better than average QB in 2007!
Posted: 12:11 PM, January 03, 2007   by TonyPaco
Should Favre return? Let's pretend I'm Favre:

a) Have I gotten the passing TD record? No.

b) Have I gotten the most wins as a starting QB? No.

c) Can I try to get both of the above next season with the "most talented team I've been a part of", all while getting paid more money than I'm worth from an organization, and a state, that ranks me right below Jesus? Yes.

Given all that, right or wrong, wouldn't you come back?
Posted: 12:21 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
So, Favre's an average quarterback and therefore should not come back? What about all the other AVERAGE QB's out there? Think it through, man.
Posted: 12:27 PM, January 03, 2007   by JIMMY TRAINA
Couple of things...

I never said Favre shouldn't come back. I just said I wish everyone would stop acting like he's a top quarterback in the league. And if you look at those stats a couple of comments ago, they reek of an average QB. 26th in completion percentage and 25 in QB rating is downright atrocious. The rest of the numbers are average -- which is still what I think Favre is this day and age.
Posted: 12:29 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre took a team from 4-12 to 8-8 under 2 different head coaches. Do the math, 12-4 next year baby!!! GO PACK GO!!! Don't tell anybody I live in Philly..
Posted: 12:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Look, Favre did great things but all he's doing now is enabling people in the media to write/talk about a subject they feel mandated to cover and everyon has had enough of and sabotaging Aaron Rodgers' career.

I watched every down of Rodgers' tenure at U.C. Berkeley. I have never seen a more polished QB in college. It is time to see what he can do professionally. If Favre wants to toss for Chicago, I'm sure they'd be happy to have him. But it really is time for Green Bay to think about the present and future, not the past.

L. Taraval
Posted: 12:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre's stats may be average, but he definitely isn't. The reason there's a media love-affair with Brett is because he is an icon, a legend, and should go down as one of the top-5, and hopefully top-3, QBs of all time. That's not something that happens every day. He gets a free pass because he's earned it. Accept it and move on.
And why isn't anyone telling McNair or Brad Johnson to retire? They're average and have been around for a long time, should they quit playing the game they love because they may not put up great stats? No. If so, then Jimmy, I think you should retire since your blog and opinion are average. If the guy wants to play, let him.
And this is coming from a Bears fan.
Posted: 12:36 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Brett Favvvvv rah fans, duh! So pathetic. You guys are now defending his right to be average?

Trust me GB has better options than carrying a deadweight 37 yr old has been in its lineup who is holding the future of the franchise hostage until the great one decides its time to go. That's ok with me though, the more years Favvvv rah continues to play, the more I know that its one more team the Eagles do not have to worry about in the NFC.
Posted: 12:37 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
The Packers success begins and ends with Favre. Even when Brady doesnt show up (excluding the MIA game) the Pats win. The Patriots are a better team, that is all.

I know the generic argument that a QB is great if he is a winner. I cant fully agree with that. Is Troy Brown of Koppen one the the best at their positions because they have multiple rings. Football is too much of a team game to label one player as a "winner" and hang his hat on that.
Posted: 12:38 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You are a STAT idiot.
People play for Favre, they play beyond their ability--sometimes tho--like this season--it took awhile for the rookies' talent to catch up to the motivation Brett provided.
Posted: 12:38 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Dear Jimmy.

This is Favre.
I'm so sorry.

Sincerely,
Favre.

P.S. - I am Favre.
Posted: 12:38 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I also agree that he has become an average quarterback, but in this day and age an "average" pro athlete commands incredible amounts of money. So, if he wants to play and/or wants a little more money he'll be back. End of story, but outside of Cheese Land does anyone really care?
Posted: 12:39 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Geez, didn't realize that Romo has fallen. He's completing 65% of his passes and since our D has fallen off the face of the earth, he is playing catch up. He has a 95% passer rating, which if you take out Huard and McNabb, that would put him just behind Manning and Brees.
I still don't see Favre as an average QB pertaining to the stat's I showed earlier. He is still a top 10 QB in this league. What would the pack have done with a different QB at the helm last year? Not much! Winning eight games with that core group of players after only winning 4 games the previous year, he'll be back for his last hurah.
Posted: 12:45 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Ask his teammates - the Packers rally around Favre. Talent wise they are not a 8-8 team, but they play inspired with Favre behind center. That is what prevents Favre from ever being just average. Why do you think no one on the team (except rodgers) wants him to retire?
Posted: 12:46 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Have you noticed that everyone that calls you an idiot for having an opinion is afraid of "signing" their posts? Such courage.
Posted: 12:46 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You are an idiot. Favre has a lousy GM and Coach. The GM gave away 3 very good offensive linemen and replaced them with rookies. Then he gave away dominant wide receiver Javon Walker. While Favre's skills have deteriorated, he continues to entertain and remains one of the the most respected players in the NFL.
Posted: 12:47 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
No, the rest of the numbers aren't average. The TDs and INTs are average, the attempts, completions and yards are near the top and the completion percentage and QB rating are not very good. I do believe Green Bay also was credited with the most drops in the NFL this season.

Bottom line is NFL scouts have resoundingly said he can still play at a high level, which is better then your average QB can in todays league.

Do you think Lovie Smith would take Favre in the playoffs right now? How about the Giants? Or Parcells might like him at the helm right now. KC probably would feel a little better as well. Denver probably wouldn't have switched to Cutler and would probably be in the playoffs.

Bottom line is he isn't going to carry a team like he did in the 90s but he is the best option, by far, of any available or unproven QB.
Posted: 12:47 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
say what you will about Favre...and to be honest - I agree that he had an average season. However - he still gives the team the best chance to win...and that holds true for next year. If Favre does retire, don't be surprised if the Pack go after a veteran QB (Jake Plummer?) to challenge Aaron Rodgers. My personal feeling is that the Pakcers are not ready to annoint Rodgers "QB of the future" just yet.
Posted: 12:50 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Since Brett Favre last made it to the Super Bowl (after the 1997 season), he has a grand total of 2 playoff wins. Two playoff wins in 9 seasons. Coincidentally, Michael Vick has the same number of playoff wins (in 3 fewer seasons). Brett has been 'average' for some time now.
Posted: 12:51 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I guess you are forgeting all the wrong routs and dropped balls the receiving core gave Brett Favre this year.

Now lets recount those totals...Hmmm.
Posted: 1:03 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Brette Favre SHOULD retire.

For Packer fans, for himself, for his teammates...for football.

He is mediocre at best right now. He was never anything more than a good QB.

He loses as many games with bad decisions as he does win them with bad decisions that turn out to be lucky in the end.

Give the young QB in waiting a shot to be more than just a back up.
Posted: 1:12 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
The Brett Favre love fest must end. His time has passed and he needs to let go. There are so many other great quarterbacks out there right now that should be the media's attention rather than the has been Favre. He is the most overrated player ever. Let's not forget that he only won one Super Bowl...but so has Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson. Get a life people.
Posted: 1:13 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
the only stats favre was "top 10" in the league in were:

Passing attempts: a function of play calling.
total completions: A function of passing attempts and completion %
Passing yards: A function of passing attempts and yards per attempt.

If you're # 1 in the league in attempts you'll virtually ALWAYS be in the top 10 in total completions and total yards. Being 23rd in yards per attempt seems to suggest that Favre is pretty average.
Posted: 1:27 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre or Grossman? Favre or Delhomme? Favre or Vick? I can keep going on but everyone of those teams would be better if they had Brett.
Posted: 1:27 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I agree with Jimmy here. "Favre" is a great QB but if Favre's name wasn't "Favre", Favre would have been benched last year and might not have gotten his job back this year. Favre's numbers are mediocre compared to "Favre's" previous years and other QB's in the league. Now you want to talk about hype, talk about Tony Romo. I like the guy and I feel for him. The sports casters, announcers and writers were so quick to make him the next star they forgot to look at how many games he played. He plays 6 games- 3 good games and 3 ok games and he's a probowler. Then he struggles down the stretch and suddenly he's no longer a star. The question is, was he really ever a star?? Before we go calling him the next Brett Favre shouldn't we let him play a few seasons first. Favre wasn't "Farve" until this 3rd or 4th season. Now he's not really "Favre" anymore, but, he's earned it,-Romo hasn't.
Posted: 1:28 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
you're right, brady doesn't have any standout receivers, however, what he does have that favre does not is an experienced offensive line compared to the packers starting two rookie guards, one of the most talented back fields in the nfl between dillon and moroney compared to green and ah, exactly. and let us not forget that he has played in the same system for how long. i understand favre is a veteran, but the guy still had to learn a new offense this year. brady has been in the same system for how many years, many of those surrounded by great talent. to say that farve is still a top 3,4,5 qb is not what i'm suggesting. what i am saying is that favre is as good as most qb's in the league, surrounded by youth.
Posted: 1:29 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Who'd expect a 37-year old QB to lead the league in stats? You're forgetting that he is 37, so to compare him to a QB in his 20's or early 30's is ridiculous. You posed the question in terms of what reasons there are for Favre to come back. I'll give you one: he has earned it. Unlike most other sports celebrities, Favre stuck with the same team for his entire career, through good and through bad. He's made contractual concessions to bring in free agents. Tell me one other major sports celebrity who's done that. So to tell Favre that he shouldn't return because at the age of 37 he is only middle-of-the-pack in terms of stats is preposterous. The Pack went 8-8 in large part because of Favre, not in spite of Favre. Certainly there are some young future Hall of Fame QB's out there, but I'll take an "average" 37-year old Favre over any of them, because he's earned it.
Posted: 1:29 PM, January 03, 2007   by Cdog923
Favre is still better than about 25 of the starting QBs in the league right now. I'd certainly rather have him over Trent Green right now on the Chiefs. If you watch the Pack at all, you would notice that Brett still has zip on his throws, and his 'idiotic' throws are a result of trying to compensate for a lack of talent on the Pack. Brett is a gunslinger...always has been, always will be. You mention Tom Brady; the two are two different kinds of Quarterback. Brady takes what he can get; Favre goes for what he can't have. That, and it's clear he has a love for the game, which is hard to find nowadays. I think he comes back for one more go-around, and I think that's the right decision. If the Pack can make some noise in FA this summer, then the experience that all the youth on the team got this year could make for a surprise season next year.
Posted: 1:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre is just average. When you watch him play, you are cringing everytime he throws the ball because you never know when he's going to throw it to the other teams DB rather than his own guy. Kind of reminds me of Grogan when he was coming to the end. You could always count on him to throw a back breaking INT just like you can with Brett Favre.
Posted: 1:34 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
While I agree with the assesment of Favre as average, I think some are missing a bigger point. All along he has stated that he refuses to teach the younger guys, who are ostensibly trying to take his job (including Rogers). The bigger question is not whether he should retire, but when will his over-inflated ego allow him to retire?

Also, just in response to the "stats" "SOLP" posted earlier, those are completely inapposite to your point. He's in the bottom half of the league in completion %, rating, etc. The only place he's high is in attempts and completions....and all that shows is that his coach calls on him to pass often. Whoop-dee-doo. That's like saying LJ was better than LT this year at RB because he had 68 more rushing attempts....the numbers that matter put LT with almost 1yd more per carry and 11 more TD's. Would anyone with half a brain say LJ was better than LT this season? Try to comprehend stats before you use them to bolster your arguments.
Posted: 1:39 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I haven't even finished reading these comments, however, it is clear that there are many problems with American society. One being that people can't respond to the specific comments made. Most of these comments talk about Favre's career - well, I don't think that was the point, was it? No, the point is that he is average NOW! As for dropped passes and rookie linemen, well, I've seen horrible throws that are "touched" by receivers when there is no pressure on Farve, I certainly hope you don't call that a dropped ball and as for linemen - they seemed to be doing a decent job in week 17. Admittedly, I didn't watch their season.



Oh, and people are a product of their society? Well, I think we all live in this society and I don't know a single person that runs around brandishing weapons, starting brawls, etc. No, these people are a product of themselves. They think they are above everyone. Now, that said, I will not pass on Darrent Williams because I don't know the facts, and perhaps he was an unfortunate victim, but as for the rest of the entertainment world - they are not a product of American society, but rather a product of a small sub-society filled with ignorant and arrogant celebs.
Posted: 1:50 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
If Farve was going to take up roster space this season, he should have gone in as a back-up. He's washed up and needs to realize it.
Posted: 1:55 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You're a complete idiot with no concept of football whatsoever. Brady operates behind a veteran line with two good running backs. Favre had three rookie lineman playing plus a first year starting Center. He had a rookie fullback backed up by an ancient fullback. He had one good receiver supported by a rookie who hit the wall in week 8 plus two undrafted FA's. His tight ends dropped at least 5 TD passes. Ahman Green did have a good year. I've watched every snap of Farve's career. Favre still has his legs. He can still play and the club has a shot if he comes back in the weak NFC. He certainly plays better then you write. What a moron.
Posted: 1:56 PM, January 03, 2007   by Charles Beyer
As someone who has watched many of the Packers games this year (even though I am a Bears fan so figure that one out ...), its apparent to me that he has a couple more years in him, no questions asked.

Saying Favre should retire simply because he is not playing as well as he used to is silly logic. Even with Favre's 'detoriated state', he still has qualities that are not easily judged:
a.) Motivation to put out 100% every game.
b.) Leadership
c.) Confidence
d.) Endurance/Toughness

The quarterback is a position of leadership and even if he throws 'average' these days, he still has the intangibles.

Furthermore, in regards to his 'average' passing these days, anyone keeping track of dropped balls by receivers ? I have seen many balls right in the numbers by Favre only to be dropped by the receiver. Or, how many times is a play blown by miscommunication ?

I think a lot of people fail to realize that some of the routes are TIMED. The ball is getting thrown regardless and the receiver is expected to be there to make the play. If the receiver screw up his end of the deal, it leaves the QB out to dry ....

Completion % does not give the entire picture, folks.

On the other hand, Favre DOES try to make big plays and takes risks with the ball. However, Favre has ALWAYS done this. If the defense can improve and limit the other team's scoring, this should correct itself as Favre/Packers won't need to work out of deficits as much.

As so much of the Packers team is young, I personally think its VITAL for them to have a solid respected leader on that team and Favre fits that job. He might cost them a game here and there, but all of the naysayers need to relax a bit.

On the other hand, if you want to talk about retiring, lets talk about the QB of my fav team.... Grossman. :-0


P.S. For the knuckle head whining about people afraid to sign their posts, I'll sign mine ...
Posted: 1:56 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Brett may have ended the season with average statistics, but he is not an average quarterback. The head coach who's job depends to an extend on him wants him back. His team wants him back. God knows the fans want him back. He may be 37, but if his physical skills have eroded, I haven't noticed it. Don't blame Brett for the fuss the media make about him.
I would like to know what great pro football experience you have that qualifies you to say he should retire. I think you have below average communications skills so why don't you retire. I cannot understand the arrogance of someone who has never played the game calling on someone to retire.
Posted: 1:57 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You are all idiots. Who really cares if Farve is "average" as long as the media mentions his name 5000+ times a day the Pack and the NFL will do their best to keep him on the field. Why? Because it's good for business. It's the 21st Century and sports today is solely about the money. Time to stop romanticising the players as "good ol'boys" who just want to make their mama's and jesus happy. They sacrifice their bodies for the big payout. Face the facts that half (I'm being generous) the pro athletes today could not hold the jobs that we, the ticket buyers, perform each day. I love sports, but at least I'm realistic about them.
C.Gemmill
Posted: 2:06 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
My $.02 on gun laws in the US:

If this country outlawed HANDGUNS (just like automatic weapons) and only made it legal to own shotguns and rifles, things extremely difficult to CONCEAL, then our violent crime rate by shootings would drop vastly. How many drive-by's are committed using those weapons every year? Probably none.
Posted: 2:13 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Farve also got to play the Lions and Vikes twice this year (and every year) Those two teams put the S in suck.
Posted: 2:13 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
still an idiot
Forget about the Brett Favre thing for a minute. What about the scam played by Jessica Simpson's dad? That makes three scams he's played on us... the first two, of course, being Jessica and Ashlee.
Posted: 2:28 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
The question surrounding Brett Favre's performance and whether or not he still belongs in the league is the wrong question. The real question(s) is twofold. First, does he want to continue to play? Secondly, do the fans enjoy watching him? Even though I am not a devote Packers fan, I enjoy to watch Favre play. I think he brings a refreshing, almost adolescent spirit to the game. He is quick to congratulate defenses on good plays, he respects the game, and he plays to win. I've personally had enough of the "I'm da man" idiotic behavior and much prefer to watch the players that enjoy the game more than their personal agendas. I would challenge anyone who might suggest that, statistics aside, Favre is not good for the game.
Posted: 2:29 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
So Brett Favre souldn't come back. Maybe we can make a trade and get him in Atlanta, oh wait we had him once and let him get away. I would take an average QB over one that thinks every press conference was set up just for him to tout his abilities. Isn't football a TEAM sport? Win as a team lose as a team.
Posted: 2:30 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
If he is so average then why are other teams so afraid of him? If you don't think teams are afraid of him then you are an idiot. Swap Brady and Favre who would have done better?
Posted: 2:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Anyone who says Auburn wasn't unimpressive didn't watch the game. Auburn did next to nothing, but won because Nebraska made two completely unforced turnovers to give Auburn TD drives of 9 and 14 yards. Otherwise they scored 3 points. They were beaten in every area.

Nebraska lost the game with two very ugly turnovers and Bill Callahan's usual terrible play calling in the clutch.

As for Favre, everybody is right. Having spent time living in Wisconsin recently, I know how much Packer fans overrate him. They all think he was a Pro Bowl snub even last year, with the 29 picks. I can't fault their love for their team, but they are the most unreasonable fans in football when it comes to analysis. At the same time, Favre is still an above average quarterback. He made some great plays, won some games he shouldn't have, and put up great yardage. The effect he has on opponents' game planning speaks to this. But he is not Pro Bowl caliber, even in the weak NFC. His tendency to throw stupid interceptions ensures that.

Donovan McNabb deserved the third NFC spot. He played longer than Romo and at a much higher level. At the end of September he was everybody's MVP. Sure, he can't play in the game, but he wouldn't be the only player voted in who sits out. Why should the timing of his injury matter? He earned the spot.

Finally, regarding violence in the NFL: The Darrent Williams thing doesn't count. He was a victim, not an aggressor. Overall, the crime rate among pro atheletes mirrors the rest of society. Know anyone who's gotten a DUI? I do. Other crimes? Certainly. The difference is that athletes' crimes are magnified by the media. The "epidemic" is a sham.

At the same time, the crime rate among athletes compared to other rich, privileged types in role model positions is too high. They could definitely do better. And they should. But let's keep things in context.
Posted: 2:33 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Wow, there are some seriously illusioned Brett fans around. Calling Brett *average* is being kind at this point in his career.
Posted: 2:33 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Switch Franks and Ben Watson this season and see where both QBs' stats would have ended up.
Posted: 2:38 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I wouldn't mind getting "scammed" all night long by either Jessica or Ashley, even better, both.

Joe " scamman" Simpson
Posted: 2:41 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Seems like it's a Favre "hate fest" - leave the guy alone and let him play ball. Even average he is better than Jerry Tagge, Randy Wright, or any other QB the Pack has trotted out since Bart Starr retired (excluding Lynn Dickey).

3 Rookie linemen? Come on name 1 other QB who had a winning record and respectable stats with that set up.

I've watched lots of great QB's in my 30 plus years of watching football and Favre is one of the best of all time.

Unless I hear from Brady or Manning you arm chairs just keep cheering for your QB and leave mine alone!
Put Farve on the Bears team and you have a Superbowl win, but Brady on the Packers and you have a 9-7 team instead of an 8-8 team. Farve isnt as good as he once was but he is still good enough to win.
Posted: 2:56 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre should play until he is collecting Social Security.

Sincerely,
a Vikings fan
Posted: 2:59 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Someone said, Favre or Grossman? Favre or Delhomme? Favre or Vick? Two points. One is that Grossman, Vick, and Delhomme all had a higher passer rating than Favre. Second is that you are just pointing out three of the QBs that struggled this year. What about Favre or Manning, Brees, McNabb, Palmer, Rivers, Brady, and I could go on. Favre had a great career but in the last two years has thrown 38 tds and 47 ints and is average at best right now.
Posted: 3:09 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I bet Dallas or Chicago would give anything to have an "average" Favre on their team heading into the playoffs.....both those jokes will be one-and-done in the playoffs. Why aren't you asking about the validity of Rex Grossman staying in the league?????
Posted: 3:24 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Out of all the trianaism's mentioned in the blog, the one that the majority of the people are commenting on is Farve. Now ask again why we have so much violence in society. Look at the priorities
Posted: 3:30 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I agree that Favre had an average year...the reason the pack are so eager to have him back is because Favre still gives the Packers the best chance to win. They don't believe in Aaron Rodgers...yet. If Favre does retire, the Pack will go after a veteran QB that will more than likely end up starting at least half of the games next year.
Posted: 3:43 PM, January 03, 2007   by Jeff in San Mateo
Favre is paid to be a QB, not a 37 year old QB. So all of you basically saying "he's good for a 37 year old" need to rethink that argument.

Also, all teams have dropped passes. All of them.

Skills: average
Age: above average
Enthusiasm: above average
Ego: well above average
Stats: below average
Performance: average
Leadership: average (don't forget how he meddled in other player's holdouts only to hold the team hostage with his own "should I reitre or not" waffling last summer)
Posted: 3:51 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
I was going to make the Vikes/Lions comment - 4 of 8 Pack wins came against those teams (not to mention the win against the Bears' JV on last day of season) - but someone else beat me to it. It's still true. The only players who benefit from being on the same field with Favre are opposing cornerbacks with decent hands.
Posted: 3:52 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
To all of you ripping on the rookie Packers line:

Pass Attempts: 613 (#1 in the NFL)
Sacks Allowed: 21 (#3 in NFC)

I guess it's because Favre is so mobile.
Posted: 3:57 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Jimmy the Dim Wit...Concerning your Favre comment...no you're not an idiot....you're a complete, drooling moronic impicile that can't even put two logical thoughts together...Favre at his "average" is 10 times the football player, not just QB, than most in the NFL....how many QBs have you seen, other than Favre this year that actually look forward to throwing blocks on an end run....how about you stand 30 yards down field from Favre and let him throw you one of his rockets..I bet you have a few broken bones from that (just asked Donanld Driver)....and for the nitwits like you, haven't you watched him this year scramble to get extra time to make the big play...unlike so many younger QBs that will stand there and get plowed under...nah, you're not an idiot, you're a complete and utter fool....your writing & reporting skills are less than average so pleas announce your retirement and save us from suffering through another year of your BS
Posted: 4:01 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Believe in Favre??

I bet you guys believe in Santa Clause too.
Posted: 4:04 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
This note is regarding your opinion on Brett Favre being an average quarterback, your an idiot!

Signed by a true Packer fan!
Posted: 4:08 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
jimmy, can u say O line?
Posted: 4:18 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Traina never said Favre shouldn't come back. He just asked why some continue to act like he's still what he was in his prime. Add me to the list that got sick of hearing the media sheep fawning over Brett the last two years.

He was a great qb and is now an average to good qb, he doesn't walk on water. If he wants to play another year and management wants him back, then he should come back, but he is clearly on the far downside compared to what he once was.

Now to the comment on outlawing handguns. I agree that we should outlaw handguns. While we're at it, let's outlaw crack and heroin too and get them off of our streets.

One common thread that seems to run through all these violent incidents is this: Athletes hanging out in clubs, often late at night, with a bunch of hangers on.
Posted: 4:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Could to you add to your list? # 11 Can anyone and everyone stop trying to create a pro system in college division 1 football! Face it folks, this is not the Pros so stop trying to make so! This is college athletics and although it is all about $$$$ and not the kids, don't hurt the players anymore than they are being exploited anyway! Only the selfish are those that need this system.
Posted: 4:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
The statistics posted by Solo tell me nothing more than he throws more than a majority of NFL quarterbacks... Every statistic where he ranks well in is related to his number of attempts. His QB-to-TD ratio has been below average for the past few years, which means that he is not helping his team win football games. If his team is so bad he needs to adjust and quit losing games and instead keeping them in position to win games.
Posted: 4:35 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You're an idiot. Oh and don't forget mis-informed and biased. Brady had a better, if not that, more experienced O-line to play behind. Favre had 3 rookies for most of the year. Brady also had a much better group of RB's to work with and hand the ball off to. With Dillon, Maroney and Faulk...New England was 12th in the NFL in rushing offense. Green Bay on the other hand...with Green, Morency and Herron were 23rd in rushing offense. Look into the number and the facts before you start blasting people with your opinions. Idiot!
Posted: 4:36 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You're an idiot. Oh and don't forget mis-informed and biased. Brady had a better, if not that, more experienced O-line to play behind. Favre had 3 rookies for most of the year. Brady also had a much better group of RB's to work with and hand the ball off to. With Dillon, Maroney and Faulk...New England was 12th in the NFL in rushing offense. Green Bay on the other hand...with Green, Morency and Herron were 23rd in rushing offense. Look into the number and the facts before you start blasting people with your opinions. Idiot!
Posted: 4:46 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Geez, is this internet column only read in Wisconsin? Doesn't anyone in WI work? You had to do this on purpose to create traffic, as only WI fans can be this blindly loyal to Lord Favre. The comment was Favre is now average, which is undisputably accurate from observing statistics and play, yet the guy could rob a bank wearing a Bears jersey and the state of Wisconsin would say the cause was either rookie offensive linemen, poor receivers, an inexperienced head coach and an incompetent general manager.
Posted: 4:48 PM, January 03, 2007   by Brady, Richmond Va
You are not an idiot, just crazy. Tom Brady has a heck of a lot more then Favre. Brady has huge running game (Packers have a failing one) and Brady has a good Def that keeps them in the game. GB has one of the worst Def's in the league. Lastly, Brady has a great coach. By no means is Favre close to what he used to be, but to try to compare him to Brady and say Brady has just a few options is crazy. I'll give you one good reason why Favre should come back. Aaron Rodgers. The guy is a bum and GB has no one to turn to. As a fan of Football I hope he comes back.
Posted: 4:49 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You are not an idiot, just crazy. Tom Brady has a heck of a lot more then Favre. Brady has huge running game (Packers have a failing one) and Brady has a good Def that keeps them in the game. GB has one of the worst Def's in the league. Lastly, Brady has a great coach. By no means is Favre close to what he used to be, but to try to compare him to Brady and say Brady has just a few options is crazy. I'll give you one good reason why Favre should come back. Aaron Rodgers. The guy is a bum and GB has no one to turn to. As a fan of Football I hope he comes back.
Posted: 4:51 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You're going way too easy on Favre. He has become so painful to watch these days that he will only be remembered as some egotistical freak who didn't know when to hang it up. I would consider him to be the most overrated QB in history.
Posted: 4:59 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
OK, you asked to be called an idiot, so here it goes: Yes, Favre's QB rating was bad (I believe 25th in the league to be exact), but he still threw for enough yards to be 6th in the NFL. 18 TDs is pretty good, so the only thing wrong with his numbers is his interceptions.
One more thing: Brett Favre is clutch and he doesn't get shaken. That can mean a lot out on the field. Blame the Pack's D for at least 6 of the losses this season. I wish you people would get off Favre's case. Nobody questioned Jerry Rice's decision to play for the Broncos, and he didn't even get any playing time.
Posted: 5:00 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Those idiots of you who believe Farve can still be an effective quarterback are probably in the same mold as those who think that Brad Johnson still has a good year left in him as a QB, or that Denny Green is an effective head coach, or that anyone in their right mind would pass on Atlanta and stay in Miami...

Morons, idiots, and chuckleheads, the lot of you.

Farve should have hung it up back when the talk first started. Elway, Marino, those were guys who knew when to quit. Farve, Johnson, and JEFF GEORGE.. Guys who don't know when it's time to go.
Posted: 5:03 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Thanks for the picture of Carrie- deee-licious!
Posted: 5:18 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
AS a season ticket holder for the Green Bay Packers I agree with you. The fans around here and the media have drank the "Favre Kool Aid". If Brett Favre runs over 2 people in his SUV his recievers would still get the blame
Posted: 5:18 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Thank you Jimmy for not being like Peter King, John Madden, Joe Buck, Chris Havel, etc. and actually taking your "unpopular" stance on Brett Favre. Intelligent football fans (i.e. not Packers fans) are sick of the special treatment Favre gets in the media. He can do no wrong. If you actually listened to the Favre-loving media you might actually come to the conclusion that Favre is the only player HAVING FUN on the field. You also might think that he's the only player TRYING TO MAKE A PLAY and that HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY HELP. Reggie White was the reason the Packers won the Super Bowl in 1996. Brett Favre actually didn't make as many stupid decisions back then. He's regressed badly since then and is only hanging on for more records. Favre is a selfish player who loves the media attention and will stay until he breaks the TD record (and INT record) and the Packers will suffer because of it. Favre is hurting the Packers on the field and off. The ones who really don't want him to retire are the fans of rival teams.
Posted: 5:39 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
underdogs have done well in the bowls so far.However, I think that LSU will blow out ND today by more than 20. It will be the 3rd time that ND will be embarssed by a good team. They are highly overrated in my opinion and to offer Weis a huge contract right away was a mistake. Kids in the Midwest still want to play for MICH/OHIO St. before ND. I dont see that changing anytime soon.
Posted: 5:57 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
You have a season pass for something on MTV other than Laguna Beach?

- The Big Lead (too lazy to sign up and all that jazz)
Posted: 6:01 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Matt Leinart is a PIMP!
Posted: 6:02 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Hey, I just saw your Mom. Even she thinks your an idiot.
Posted: 6:08 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
As a lifelong Packer fan who watches all their games, I can say that you are right on target about Brett Favre, aka Brain Fart. I hope he finally does retire so they can go in another direction, even if it's backwards. He is absolutely Teflon in Wisconsin, and he's making "rookie mistakes" well into his career. Like the last days of Marino, his biggest concern is not getting hit, so he forces throws consistently. You are correct, he is no better than average these days, and most games he is below average.
Posted: 8:40 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Two words re: why Brett Favre should stick around dumbass -

Aaron Rodgers!
Posted: 8:45 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Favre was great and is a legend but now is average. The Packers finished 8-8 with wins over the Lions and Vikings twice, the 49ers, Dolphins, Cardinals, and the Bears. So they beat one team with a winning record and does anyone really believe the Bears were trying? Maybe Madden and Michaels but no one else. So the best record of the other teams was 7-9. Yeah, Favre made a huge difference. Just because those dorks Madden and Michaels apologize for him doesn't mean he is still good. Michaels was trying to justify his interceptions by comparing him to Cy Young saying he has the most wins and losses for a pitcher. Of course, he failed to mention that while Marino is the record holder for TD passes, he is not for interceptions thrown. And someone said no one made contract concessions other than Favre was wrong, Brady did. But Brady didn't speak out against his own reciever while he was holding out as Farve did with Walker. So Packer fans, join in with Peter King, Madden, Michaels and the rest and keep on blaming his recievers and claim he earned the right to play as long as he wants while your team stays stuck in 8-8 land.
Posted: 8:56 PM, January 03, 2007   by Gideon
Chuck down there is calling you an idiot when he cant even spell Favre. These Wisconsin clowns that are still in love with Brett need to give up. He's done.
Posted: 8:58 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Brett Favre WAS a great football player, and still has a lot to offer to the sport of football, just not as the starting QB. Too bad he didn't retire at the top of his game, like Howie Long. Unfortunately, he won't be able to shake the "shoulda, coulda, wouldas" that people will be saying about the last two years of his career (whenever those actually come about.)
Posted: 9:32 PM, January 03, 2007   by Anonymous
Haters wish they had a QB like BF, kinda like the Bears. 26 QBs since Brett started. Dumb ass
Regarding the MLB DirecTV deal vs. the NFL DirecTV deal, the NFL has gotten a lot of heat over it, but it was 3 years ago when THEY signed their contract. The heat has died down because it was awhile ago and we have realized there is nothing that can be done. However, the MLB deal is fresh, it will instantly impact millions of fans, in a sport that can't seem to afford to lose any more fans. In three years, if the NBA were to do such a dumb deal, they would receive a lot of heat for it, but the MLB deal wouldn't much like the NFL deal isn't now.
Posted: 2:37 PM, January 31, 2007   by Anonymous
Clear difference on MLB Extra Innings. The NFL package was never available on cable. Baseball was - they are taking away something people already had - and loved.
Posted: 4:13 PM, January 31, 2007   by Anonymous
I think the media is making a bigger deal than it is over the coverage of what Tank Johnson has done. We all make mistakes. It seems to me that he just wants to get past this and has learned his lesson. Leave the guy alone already. Like the anonymous said previously "you're an idiot"
Why is it that almost all sports writers don't get it when it comes to steroids, HGH and other illegal supplements? Do any of you guys work out with weights? And I don't know how many times I had to explain about while these supplements do not help you hit a baseball it *DOES* help you to crush one once you make contact.

Here's the deal with Bonds, he used illegal substances and got stronger. Okay, maybe he is no longer doing those...he likely still has most of the muscle mass which supplies incredible bat speed to "induce" the baseball to leave the yard. It's not as if he lost a lot of power because he is no longer using. Obviously if he doesn't lift weights he will lose the mass and the word on Barry is he never really loved doing a lot of weight training so he's probably going to be losing a lot of his gains within the next few years.

But the main point is muscles give you more bat speed which equates to more power as far as hitting a baseball, it doesn't help you make contact but perhaps those "supplements" strengthen eye muscles as well.

Yes, you are absolutely WRONG to blame Torre for the Yanks terrible start. The typical Yankees fan always has to have someone to blame. If ARod wasn't going nuttzo I'm sure you and your brethen would be all over him. No one ever seems to blame Jeter, notice that? Your team is geriatric, dude, and your pitching staff looks about as bad as the Bad News Bears. But I think, unfortunately because I'm one of those who think the NYY's are the Evil Empire, LOL, will bounce back shortly.

Will they win the World Series? No, not even close. I think the Yankees will be lucky to get the Wild Card...good luck cheering with your team, Jimmy!
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