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7/03/2006 01:54:00 PM
What happened, Brazil?
SI.com's Ricardo Setyon has been dazzled by countless Brazilian teams over the years, but he feels cheated by the one that crashed out in Germany. What went wrong? Setyon blames the stubbornness and overconfidence of the old guard, from players such as Ronaldo, Cafu and Roberto Carlos, all the way up to the coaching staff and federation officials. What do you think? Brazil was an enormous 5-to-2 favorite heading into the World Cup. What was its ultimate undoing?
What I think happend to Brazil is that it left it self to open to france thinking that france would not tack advantage of it also I think that brazil team had to much pride and thought we have won five world cups france just one "how hard can thay be"and that is what I think happend to brazil, they just got to cocky and felt that the game between them and france would be a walk in the park.
MISSING: THE BRAZILIAN NATIONAL TEAM LAST SEEN: TOM JOBIM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, RIO DE JANEIRO, THREE WEEKS PRIOR TO THE WORLD CUP REPORTED MISSING: 1 JULY 2006, AFTER 11 IMPOSTERS TOOK THE PITCH TO FACE FRANCE (WARNING: IMPOSTERS DOUBTFULLY ARMED, DEFINITELY NOT DANGEROUS) ANY INFORMATION AS TO THE WHEREABOUTS OF THE "SELEÇÃO BRASILEIRA" SHOULD NOTBE REPORTED TO THE BRAZILIAN FOOTBALL CONFEDERATION (CBF), BUT TO COMPETENT AUTHORITIES, WHEREVER THEY MAY BE (ALSO MISSING). CHEERS.
Seriously, I think all 180 million of us saw this coming. What burns me is that, when England lost, the players cried, and the manager bid a sombre adieu. When Argentina lost, the players cried (WAAAH!) and the manager resigned. When Spain lost, the players looked shocked, then cried, then the manger resigned. When Japan lost, the players cried, and the manager was told to commit Hari-Kari. When Brazil lost, the players, laughed, smiled, hugged the French, and the manager kept his job. PUR-LEASE! You haven't heard the last of this. Heads will roll, my guess, sooner rather than later. Let's start with Quico. Then Cafú. Roberto Carlos, you got some 'splainin' to do! We really need some new blood, methinks. Time for the old guard to bid adieu. In 2010, I hope you'll hear some of these names: Rafael Sobis, Nilmar, Diego, Robinho, Alex, Fabiano Eller, Mossoró, Arouca, and Daniel Carvalho. We'll say. I'm already saving money for the Cup in South Africa (that will be FUN!).
No surprise really. Brazil wants to play the "beautiful game". France was content to play a scrapping, gritty style. France played good defense and took away the open space Brazil needs. Worse, France knows how to play the possession game... i.e., the big Brazilian stars are forced to play defense! Horrors! Game over!
It is remarkable that the amount of success that Seleção has amassed and consequently the backlash the team has received after an early departure. The problems seem to stem from the lack of leadership, which flows from the top, beginning with the federation delegates through to Parreira and the players. Cafu, admittedly, was not at top form, however provided his team with the pace expected of him while minding to some of his defensive responsibility. The middle pair of Lucio and Juan played adequately, but the big error in the back was sticking with Roberto Carlos. Wild shots, erratic play and terrible leadership qualities plagued Carlos in all the contests and will result in a steady decline from top-flight football. It’s sad to see an icon so readily dismissed, but it is deserved. Cicinho was misused yet highly effective, hopefully his national tenure continues. The midfield was a problem, but solving it seems nearly impossible. Trying to fuse together a roster with such a bountiful roster of formidable names and talents is a job only for Joe Torre ( please pardon my baseball reference). The youth was largely ignored and Parreira was roasted over this decision yet how can he win in this situation? How can you explain sitting Kaka and Emerson in order to insert Gilberto and Gaucho? With failure comes questions, but questions would arise from the benching of players like Kaka had Brazil suffered the same fate. Ronaldinho was called ineffective and tired and he was both and you would be too after a season like he experienced. Up front, we curse the talent of Ronaldo because he cares little and arrives obese, then he becomes the most prolific goal scorer in cup history. He was perhaps not the best choice but to remove him in favor for Adriano or Robinho again would have caused controversy. And I didn’t even mention Fred. Strategically, Brazil lacked and Parreira failed to notice French tactics against the Spaniards, which were applied against his own team. Failure to adapt was the official cause of death.
It was bad coaching. That's a cliche but when you have the best team in the world and you make the following mistakes, hang the coach: 1. the biggest was formation. one striker and he was fat Ronaldo??? why not use Robinho also and go on the offensive. 2. roberto carlos, who we love, and cafu, who we love, have seen their day pass. especially a bad choice to play them using such a defensive formation for an offensive team. this leads to 3. brazil's formation against japan. japan was not a bad team but besides that we saw how the youngsters connected, especially from the top, firing bullets.
Nobody is to blame. Brazil played to their potential, and so did France. Had France not been there, Spain would have done the same to Brazil. If anybody is to blame, blame Nike and their Joga commercials trying to portray that this team is a bunch of Gods or something. Brazil has great individuals but when they come together as a team, they are average.
The Brazilians certainly won the World Cup of Hype, but forgot that the game that really counts is played on the field—not in the media. The saddest part about the Brazilian defeat is having to listen to a seemingly endless barrage of complaints, excuses and accusations by their supposed “fans”. Boy, what we in the US wouldn’t do to have a team like that! What talent! What heart! What artistry! If Brazilians are so disappointed in their team, can we have them?! We’d definitely be more appreciative.
I guess denouncing your team for the audacity of being mere mortals is easier than having to acknowledge the skill and determination of the French team.
All cry and ask what happened to Brazil. The answer is more what happened to France. Brazil is not tired nor intimidated, but France knows they must fight every moment to survive. What happened to France is inspiration. What happened to Brazil is only expectation.
The ONLY reason I have respect for this Brazil team was their good sportsmanship in losing. THey lost fair and square and they did the right thing by hugging and the French and going off with decency. (Note: I'll also give them credit for playing cleaner than they nromaly do, though Ronaldo's dive was insulting)
That is far more than I can say for their neighborhing argentinians, who have to spoil germany's victory with a brawl. Disgraceful.
However, there is nothing more annoying than a Brazilian fan. They all act like it is their god-given right to win the world-cup. When they lose it isn't becuase they were worse, it is because of some secret conspiracy (remember then investigations into Ronaldo's doctor visit in 98?) or mind-control or, at best, a terrible coach who bungled the operation.
Guess what... Brazil doesn't have any right to the cup and they were simply the worse team. France beat them on every level. France's defence was miles above Brazil's and Henry is much better than a fat Ronaldo.
When I saw Brazil team, there was no beauty or Jogo Bonito, nothing of that sort it was like watching European soccer, mechanical passing, running like robots no passion like Pele, Zico, Romario. This what ruined the Brazilian team, if only they had played with passion and teamwork. It was as if they were playing for the motto, Jogo Feio. Maybe next time Brazil should play with players playing in Brazilian rather than European leagues.
Such a disgrace for a team with such awesome players. I think it was a big, big mistake to claim the Brazilian team could start at ~70% and build it up till the finals. It shows they were overconfident, and forgot to play the wonderful footbal they are capable of.
Brazil felt that just "Being Brazil" would hand them the trophy! Brazil should have paid attention when France went from a lackluster beginning to beating Spain 3-1 (Spain's only goal coming off a penalty kick). France's playing style changed with the victory over Spain. They turned Zidane's "last appearance on the field" into a chance for him to retire as a "World Champion".
World Cop 2006 has suffered from Euro'biased officiating worse than any in recent memory. It's no Supprise the Semi-finalists are all European... Thats not to ay that the Europeans don't have phenominal clubs but the disparity is too great to ignore.
Brasil failed to live up to the hype just as the US failed. France treated them the way Brasil has treated so many other teams before. France came out fearless, and Brasil didn't know what to do about it. In the end, a bunch of spoiled Brasilian players lost their cool and with it their style and tactics. Brasil needs to pay their respects to Zidane and France and get over it already!
Zidane happened to Brazil. Sure, Brazil didn't play to their level, but they didn't in the Ghana game either and still won. They were beaten by the better team ... not the better players on paper, but the better team.
1. Lack of leadership from the coaching staff. They could not make the hard decision of sitting underperforming players. 2. Lack of heart from the players. They seemed more interested in the next commercial (e.g. Ronaldinho and his ridiculous Nike Headband. The coaching staff should never have allowed that.) 3. Poor tactics from the coaching staff. Completely unbalanced formation, top heavy. 4. Lack of team spirit.
If it were a mere case of Brazil playing worse but with heart and determination, I bet every brazilian fan would be disappointed, yet proud of their team. This was not the case in this world cup. Brazil did not show up to the world cup. They were not determined, they showed no fire during their five games and it showed. This is not to take away from the French, who played Brazil beautifully and simpy outclassed them. Hats off to Zidane, who destroyed our midfield. The question then becomes why did the Brazilians play so uninspired and passionless? The answer comes down to the managers and the leadership of the team, which were not present. Cafu did a horrible job as captain of the team and Parreira was worse as a coach. A terrible coach will make a team bad, no matter how good the players are.
I can't help it but wonder. Most Brazilian and Argentine players play in Europe. It's not to Europe's best interest to be ousted by South American teams. Therefore, if the South American players played their best their contracts may not be renewed. If they gave a lackluster performance , the owners of the European teams may have promised the players to renew their contracts for another four years. I wonder...
The goal showed to in a brutal bright way, open to everyone to see.
For Brazilian players stood around, not moving. They did nothing, but watch the French doing their job. Heck! one of them had even the nerve to bind his shoe at that moment! France? Scoring? Naah, impossible! Yeah, they got showed, how impossible that was...
They went into the tournament with a 'we are the Brazilian team, so we have to win' attitude.
Against weaker opponents, this worked - but than they met an opponent who was able to play on their level. An opponent who fighted and looked out for a chance to win.
i dont know what happend but i wanted to see a 94 rematch between brasil and Italy. France is getting better and will face Italy in finals. Germany needs a lot of luck and maybe the ref will help them to final. I don't see Germany as a strong enough to beat Italy in a fair game. If Germany could not score against Argentina then they will surely not score against Italy. If Italy scores first then the game is over and Italy will advance to final and also win the final against the weaker France or Portugal.
brazil played extremly well even thought they lost .brazil tried thier best and thats all that matters. i think that brazil just didnt play as hard for the other teams because they thought they might be easy to play but i think "BRAZIL....WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!"to me even if u lost i will always be your first fan for u guys!!!!!
If you can be suckered into playing bad for fear that you'll get a lesser European contract, then you have no heart.
I'm no futbol expert; I don't know why Brasil was listless all tournament long. But from what I've read, in '70 and even '82 (when they lost, but played well) most of Brasil's stars were in their prime, right? I'm not sure that's the case this year.
a word from downunder...."strewth" our boys were ready to win the cup BUT nnoooo....FIFA referee made the game fall to Italy on a non existant penalty....%$#@!#$^& ....now having said that I am sobbing for all the GREATS I've come to know....over the past decade...I love you, nonetheless. Farewell,adieu to the GREATS of FOOTBALL, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho,Figo, Zidane,Viduka,Shwarzer,Beckham,Nataka,Kafu,Carlos, et al...you will always stand out in my HEART! God Bless Football...
Alis from the shores of the greatest continent on Earth where heroes thunder.
Well, like millions of others, I am stunned and hurt, not so much for myself, but for millions of Brasileiros who were so hopeful. As to what's wrong? I can't blame Cafu & Roberto Carlos entirely, they may be old but they gave it all to Selecao Brasileira. The coach could use some blame for being very cold and distant from the boys it seems, but the main blame I want to lay is with Ronaldinho Gaucho - he simply did not not try hard enough for his country. How many times I waited for him to try his magic, but he simply passed the buck to another player, not wanting to take the responsibility. Sure, he had a long season, but so did the French players - they fought for their country, and I think RG is beginning to forget what an honor it is to don that yellow jersey on.
I just saw the game on tv ( a rerun) and I was amazed of how brazil did not man mark many of the players on France. Zidane is not that good, I mean he had the ball in the middle of the field with 5 yards of seperation from the Brazilian player and decided to do some tricks. Thierry Henry (Whatever) was not marked (defensive goof off) and that is why France scored their only goal. If Portugal plays physical with these tall Frenchies and Figo (better than Zidane)and Ronaldo have it going I think Portugal will easily beat France.
According to my wife the FAT TIRED Forward that wore Ronaldo's jersey throughout the World Cup should have been taken out of the game after the first 20 minutes of the France game. After all, how can you expect to win when your "big" weapon cannot catch up to passes that would have been caught by the real and fit Ronaldo for at least two goals. As the English learned, it isn't enough to simply carry a player because of name recognition. Get real Brazil, next time come to play with men who are hungry and want to run for 90 minutes not with men who are only there to receive the fans' love.
1) Ronaldo - and we Real Madrid fans have been saying it for a couple of years now - is the player he once was. His girth and lack of agility have really grown and he looks lazy out on the pitch.
2) RC and Cafu are well past their prime.
3) Emerson - ditto. His replacement, Juninho, is little more than a free-kick specialist.
4) Ronaldinho - Never got the ball in space, mainly because the team was slow and not built to pressure the opponent in the way Barcelona does.
5) Parreira was a fool for not seeing the deficiencies of the team in the friendlies and early games. It was plain to see this was not the super squad people had hyped it to be.
6) France were better. Position by position, there is no more talented team than the French. Once motivated, legs-willing, they are probably the classiest team in the tournament. Henry v. Ronaldo? Henry in a landslide! Zidane v. Ronaldinho? Not much of a gap, but the Frenchman's influence on games is immense. Vieira/Ribery/Makele v. Kaka/Juninho/Ze Roberto? Not even close.
It's true Brazil underperformed at the Cup. But please, let's calm down with the insults.
Or have you forgotten that the same players that you are attacking today won you the last World Cup? Maybe, you have forgotten that this was the coach who brought to you your first cup in 24 years?
Criticize the tactics all you want, but they were the same that led to Brazil's humiliation of Argentina in the last Confederation Cup (have you already forgotten?). No, the truth is that you just don't find the magic every time, no matter how magical you may be.
I think it is not the players who are spoiled, but you.
What happened- 1. Parreira did not effectively use the players at his hands. Had Brasil been able to keep Luis Felipe, who is doing a wonderful job with Portugal, things would have turned out differently. 2. Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Ronaldo..etc.. all had their time. That times is over, unfortunately, as much as they are loved. 3. Formation/strategy - Ronaldinho's being put more upfront did not help the game- with the lack of team unity, he needed to stay in the middle, setting up plays. The defense is incredibly weak- Brasil's defense is rather historically weak, as players tend to aspire to play offense, score goals, and be in the limelight. 4. Let the new talent play! Wait till Anderson shows up in the next one, and the midfield will be amazing! Cicinho and Robinho are promising, and I'm sure there are many others ready to replace the beloved, but past their prime players. 5. They didn't want it bad enough! Assuming you're going to win doesn't keep you competitive! So what, you've won 5 times before, but the past is irrelevant in world cup soccer! Next time, they won't play "with high heels" and might actually be hungry for another title!
One: Parreira is a stubborn man. He put and old team and did not use the new young talent in favor of old stars. Major mistake. Now he paid the price. He's out for good from the selecao. never again. Zagallo the same.
Second: The stars. They basically achieve everything on the soccer arena. World Player of the Year, World Champions, League champions, international recognition, Millionaire salaries, etc. What else they want? Another WC title. They have it. So they did not put their hearts out. That's why Brazil lost. Simple.
Brazil is the best team in the world. Period. The amount of amazing players we have in the WC is ridiculous. If they played just well, they would crush France and any other opponent because they are too good. Unfortunately, they thought they were invincible and that's why they lost. Great lesson for Brazil.
No problem, 2010 will be here soon and the new team will be better without Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Emerson and Ronaldo. So watch out
Did you see the replays of the goal? There were 4 French players in the box, with 4 brazilian players rooted to their spots trying to push an offside. Did you see a certain Roberto Carlos, back from running up and down the left flank with his hands to his hips in fatigue, instead of marking the goalscorer Henry. He's left back for crying out loud!. Zidane all the same along with maloud, made the midfield look like a bunch of idiotas.
This topic is absolutely uninteresting considering what’s happening in a WC at the moment.
We are lucky to be witnesses of most beautiful goodbye to the game one could imagine. One of 3 best players EVER is going to play just one or two games more and that’s our last chance to see magic on a field for a long, long time to come. And what magic it is, I almost cried seeing him play like this. I don’t expect to see player like Zinedine in my lifetime again. And your topic is Brazil?? What’s wrong with you people?? Nothing against Brazil, I love them when they have a team (this year they just had a bunch of stars- not you Kaka, you have played a great WC ;)
I suggest someone who knows something about the game at cnn’s takes this into his hands and explains to producers that a history is being written and they are missing it completely (due to ignorance)…
congrats to the Brasilian Team for the award for the greatest fake artists of the WC - if not ever. everybody waited for that click to cause an offensive eruption - they were not even close; not capable of doing that - but they made us believe they could - for 5 games !! and still do, if you check comments concerning WC 2010 now thats a whodini/copperfield -esque performance, you name it
I was not all that surprised with the outcome of the game. An overhyped Brazil team that had yet to play anyone slightly close to their level came against a France team that has been widely underestimated. Ronaldo is fat, Ronaldihno is average, and Zidane took them both to school.
I think this years WC has been below average. Lots of old players, playing with their resume under their belts, not really playing to add anything to their resumes. Hopefully next WC will redeem this great sporting event. I hope we can get some exciting players like Maradona, Zico, Bagio, Pele, etc. so football will be enjoyable to watch again.
I've been telling anyopne who would listen that this Brazil side, entering the world cup, was just completely overrated. Their fullbacks are on the wrongside of 30 especially with cafu who had been injured up until a few weeks before the tournament. Their centrebacks, Lucio apart, are very very average. They then had two midfielders, one of which (Ze Roberto) is actually a winger and the other (Emerson or even Silva) have been injured most of the season. The problems up front start with Kaka and Ronaldinho who both excercise free roles for their clubs, but not under parreiras system. Ronaldo never had a decent stretch of games for Madrid due to constant injury and Adriano proved too inconsistent for his Inter club. Anyone could foresee,especially after the group stages, that this was not going to be Brazil's year.
What happened to Brazil!? France is an under-rated team. Yes they didn't go well in the preliminary stages, but Henry, Zidane...those guys are as good as Ronaldinho, Kaka etc. France won in 98 and they will probably do it again with the same great players.
There is simply no unbeatable team on this planet.
Victory at this level of competition should come from hard work, good work, never overestimate yourself and never underestimate the opponent, do your very best to win on the field, just be the best at it, fight for your victory... and you'll win. Just like the French did last saturday.
in 2010 WC, whatever Brazilian team shows up, like 1998 and 2006, Brazil will be beatable by any underestimated hard working team who believes in itself. Your nation or color of your flags does not make you win, only the quality of work and motivation leads to victory.
By the way, unlike some Brazilian stars, Zinedine will retire in great style and modesty.
After crying in my beer over Brasil's loss, I began to reminisce...2002 World Cup..Cafu up the right flank and Roberto Carlos on the left...panic in the opposing defenses....Ronaldo and Rivaldo creating havoc up front. Lucio solid in the back....
It was a wonderful ride and I am grateful to have seen them play and do so well in my lifetime.
Now that the torch is passed, I would like to see some more of the homegrown talent, not just the Europe-based stars....and there are only about 100 million of them to choose from.
after all have been said and done! It is a known fact now, that France is Brazil`s big brother.A nemesis that is. The problem was not how they played. They played their usual play, no excuses!! BUT FRANCE WAS SUPERB!!!!!!!!!!!.They showed class.Too hot for Brazil to handle!
The reason I wish they'd have shown more emotion upon losing is that they seem to have forgotten what the Cup means to Brazil. After all, we haven't got the Louvre. We haven't got a president who attacks countries without authorisation just to make some money for his business partners. We haven't got a generation of children who know the theme to MacDonald's by heart, but think that Brazil speaks Spanish. We haven't got a lot here that we can say "We're the best at". All we have is our football, which we know to be fully capable of winning the Cup, to give us a sense that others might look at us with envious eyes for once. It means something to us. We know we can't win every time- but it would be nice if, in defeat, the players had fought- not like the Argies did, throwing punchies and the like- but trying to score, rather than administering the result, like they wanted to start their holidays early. I wish Cafú, Roberto Carlos, and Ronaldo- all of whom likely (dare I say HOPEFULLY) have played their last World Cup- had shown the commitment and obsession of Zidane. Instead, Roberto Carlos seems more than willing to shrug it off, as if he had nothing to prove to anyone. He had something to prove to me- and to the other 180 million Brazilians out there who put our faith in him. What a pity he- and his mates- seem to have forgotten what this means to us. We won't forget.
WHY BRAZIL FAILED 1.Brazil has the greatest individual players in the world: Ronaldo, Ronaldinhno, Kaka, etc. but they don't have the greatest heart in the world. 2.They were confident, which is good, but they were so confident they thought they would never lose. 3.The brazilian players are too old. It's time for players like Robinhno, Cicinhno, etc. to arise. Cafu, Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos, etc. are probably not gonna be in the 2010 WC. 4. Coaching was not great. Period. 5. Ronaldo wasn't brilliant but wasn't bad. He is heavier but he still is the Ronaldo he was. He scored 3 goals in the WC which is isn't bad at all. 6. Ronaldinhno wasn't playing like he can. His playing wasn't really magic. He set up players many times but wasn't the difference. He's still the best palyer in the world but he needs to play like he does in Barcelona. Some blame goes to other players. 7.France played awesome. Give them credit. Henry is playing awesome, Zidane is playing like he's 24, and others are following suit.
Unlike other teams such as Argentina and England, which lost because their player talent was just barely enough to get them into the quarterfinals, Brazil lost because of their poor coaching. Ironic that the Argentinians and English should blame their coaching staff. Pekerman is a hell of a coach, he has taken Argentina farther than anyone else has in a long time--remember Japan/Korea? and Sven had to work with a slim pool of English talent. On the other hand, the Brazilians do have the talent but not the coaching. Parreira has to go down as one of the most incompentent and most inept coaches in history, yeap..up there with Bilardo and Bruce Arena. Parreira should have seen this coming when his team was lucky to get by Ghana. Unlike the Czech team, a tournament favorite with tons of stars but also with poor coaching, Brazil had an easy group qualification round..so their weaknesses were not exposed. However, one could see the cracks on the foundation. Ghana exposed them, and the rest is history...Brazil needs a real coach. A coach that can make the unpopular decisions and controls the team.
Too many chefs in the broth, makes a lousy soup. Too many stars on a film, makes a lousy movie. Too many big egos together, makes a lousy team. Brazil showed all of the above right from the begining of the World Cup. Hence, no surprise that they are out before the quarter finals. Futbol, football or soccer is a game of skills, but more over, is a team sport. Brazil needs to learn how to play like a team with real heart again before they have any real chance at this level of competition.
I would suggest to get youngsters for Brazil. Cafu, Ronaldo, RC etc. should leave for good..... See the difference when the 2nd squad played against Japan. It was indeed the best game of Brazil in 2006. Best of luck for 2010. A good trainer would do alot more.....
France beat Brazil in 1986, 1998 and 2006. France was better that day, and that''s all that matters for France. So go ahead, say silly things. Every game is a new challenge, even for Brazil. They had a hard time with Ghana (2 off sides goals don't count) And when was the last time Portugal beat France? Its been quite a while...so may the best team win.
Whether or not the Brazilians have an inflated ego, the ultimate problem throughout the Cup seems (to me) to have been a tendency to put seniors out on the pitch regardless of their oft times lack-luster performances. In my opinion, had they played (or preferentially started) some of the younger players I believe that they would have beaten their opponents more convincingly and would have beaten the French. The thing is, nearly every team that played Brazil seemed to be more determined to win than the Brazilians. They played without conviction much of the time, and that combined with the fact that younger, more aggressive players were held off the pitch led to their early exit. Oh, and by the way, as a Brazilian, I feel justified in my comments. Maybe 2010.
Well said Ricardo... We all feel cheated by this Brazilian "team" and the way they lost. It is sad to see a bunch of lazy, over-indulged brats play with the emotions of so many people. Parreira didn't have the guts to support younger players and capitulated to the "stars". And Zagallo, is he even alive? I didn't see him move or say anything in the whole World Cup. Brazil is a great football power and it will rise again, but it will need a gutsy coach that doesn't defer to anybody and is willing to put together a team of men, not a team of names.
Brazil?????????? Brazil wasting playing I don't know who those men were. Really a shame, I couldn't even watch the entire game that is how bad it was. Something was very wrong in that game and we will never know what!!
hi, all said and done. I would like to say is BRAZIL is suffering from serious disease known as bureaucracy... how come fat ronaldo and slow ronaldhino could play for so many games without being effective and still maintain their position in the team.I think this owrld cup was a farewell for them they wanted to be in the centre of the stage irrespective of who wins or loose....they have again reminded us of oldsaying that its hard to reach top but more tuff to maintain your position on top....they disappointed time and again ..game by game ...its good that teams prepared much better are going forward....but as a ardant brazilian fan...i have tears and disappointment....they let us down...LET the best team WIN.... FOOTBALL will win afterall.....
Brazil was overconfident for this World Cup and did not take France, nor any other team they played, seriously enough. They seemed too relaxed and too pollite on the pitch, and above all lacked the intensity and focus of teams like Germany and Portugal.
All had one thing in common, Brazil eliminated by France
1986 To say the least that day was the saddest day in my life, to see the competing and dominating Brazilians to be knocked out by Platini and Co. in Mexico, Brazil did not deserve to lose. Hated France
1998 Mystery why Ronaldo and Company were missing in action. Still hated France, believed Brazilians were bought out or something, but then consoled myself saying that Brazil did not deserve to win anyways, they lost to Norway after all.
2006 No sympathy whatsoever, only great moment was Ronaldo's 15, which may be overtaken by Klose, who still could net one or two aginst France in the 3rd place finish
I am Argentine and my sadness quickly went away with Brazil and England's losses, all in one day!!! I think I'd rather see Brazil lose more than I would like us to win!!! That's how happy I am that they are going home. Argentina, the best team at WC 2006, will be WC Champions 2010.
Ronaldinho did not play his best and Kaka played well sometimes but not all the time. Ronaldo was criticized for being obesed but proved he was able to score against Japan and Ghana.; he was lonesome against the French defense. Perhaps a varying Robinho should have been placed alongside Ronaldo to have more attack. Cafu, (whom many don't realize played well), provided many attacks through the sides and centered many good balls, but Roberto Carlos(whom i love) had many unsuccessful attempts on offense. Its not the players fault, perhaps the coach's fault. No change was done with plenty of time left against France. Ronaldinho's role was diminished and perhaps that why we didn't see the Barcelona Ronaldinho that we all know. I repeat, i do not blame the players but the coach; he decided the line up. Also, Roberto Carlos' shots might be a killer one, but Ronaldinho should have taken more; his shot soared right above Barthez.
I salute all the players, whether they won or not. What about those who lost in the first 2 weeks? Do we blame or scorn them for losing? This is a game of stamina, skills, speed and luck. Some days you have all 4 together, some days you may have only 2, some days only one, and some days none. Every team wants to win, every player wants to ride the victory bus. We should not leave them stranded behind simply because they did not win the match. We as spectators got all the excitement and entertainment that we wanted, and the players did all the hard work to give these to us. Let us be thankful to all the players, coaches, organizers, etc. for a wonderful, successful and memorable WORLD CUP 2006!!!
Look, any Brazillian fan who doesn't admit that Brazil was pathetic at WC 2006 should just stop talking about Football, please. Blame the coaches, blame conspiracy theories, blame the beer in Germany, your team believed the hype and played like a bunch of gutless sissies, simple. I was supporting your side in honor of Pele, Romario, Bebeto, etc, but I will never support Brazil again......the lack of heart shown on the pitch was that shocking.
Knock Italia? Pay attention Jogo Gigolos, and learn a thing or two about passion and teamwork.
What was Adriano doing on the bench?! His goal-scoring stats (.68 ratio) are better than any chap in that team (even Ronaldo) but the crowds in Brazil have never really backed him even to appear in the team. Even Robinho needed a better chance than he was given. Soccer is not democracy. The crowds should not determine who plays.
they were way over confident and gave way to slackening. the captains of this ship dozed off when it hit early rough waters. and what did everybody do? mostly scampered to their comfort zones and prayed for rescue. which didn't come. too much football? you betcha. they just showed me that this important tourney is not really special to them, as much as it's special to everybody else in the world. yet my heart's with this team, really. but the match against france broke my heart. boy, oh, boy...
Brazil is a nation that loves football, but has bigger problems to worry about, like crime and poverty. How could they cheer for millionares who play in Europe? Zidane beat them with skill, and it is pathetic to make excuses. Zidane is an old player and no one expected his great skill. I always had confidence in his skill since before the 1998 victory. Furthermore, everyone expected a quick Ronaldo goal after Henry's surprise. This is evidence that all the fans from Brazil weren't thinking of how old players were or how bad the coach was.
How many world Cup defeats will it take for the World cup fans realize that in the past 15 years the only time Brazil has ever won is when they never had the French in their group Go as far back as the world cup in Spain quarter finals France(with Platini) Obliterated Brazil and since then France has never lost to Brazil History will keep repeating itself-France has Brazil's number
Our team, Brasil, rise once again. We just need a better coach than Parreira to tell all the starts that once the yellow jersey is on, they must forget how many millions they earn and must perform for their people.
So many hypocrites here... Ronaldo looked fat and lazy in the France game? I would give him crap for that dive, but not for being fat and lazy. Y'all kill me - many of you naysayers were quick to shut up when he began scoring, but now you're happy to jump on the bandwagon of haters again.
France played a terrific game - they marked the right Brazillian players and shut them out. The Brazillians needed to create more opportunities by relying on the less targeted players. I daresay we, the Brazillians, waited too late to launch an attack and a smart and sharp French team did the right thing by taking advantage of that.
As for those of you who claim the team has no passion, especially since they didn't bawl like other teams who lost did - I give them kudos for being mature and dignified at accepting the result. "He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day" - we have the next tourney to look forward to.
And now that they have fallen in a tournament in which they were heavily favored, maybe in 2010 you will all be more willing to judge the players as men rather than goal-scoring machines. I, for one, will be cheering for the Brazillian with as fervently as I did this year!
I think that most Brazilian players at present don't even feel they are Brazilians anymore. They all live in Europe, have millionnaires' salaries , dual citizenship and do not plan to go back to live in Brazil again, even after they retire. During the last World Cup, even though they brought back the (5th!)title, they were still attacked by the furious and ungrateful crowds and had rocks thrown at their bus just because the parade they were supposed to participate in the streets of Rio was interrupted half way. ( the 'poor' guys didn't even have time to rest after the trip and already were hauled on top of a stupid truck to be displayed on the streets like some circus animals...) They probably were THANKFUL for the defeat this time , which spared them the trouble of having to go back to Brazil for another pathetic parade and risk another attack by the fanatic, barbarous soccer fans! This time, they would probably have been linched by the mob....
There were a few things happening here. No question that Nike's "joga Bonito" commercials hyped Brazil's talent to the point of ridiculousness, forcing us to forget the talent in the rest of the world. While this may not be true for the true fan of international football, it is true for most of those watching the World cup. That being said, there was little Brzil could have done to live up to the hype, even if they had won. But they came out flat. It seems that the coaches were content to pay homage to the old guard (and get Ronaldo the record for world cup goals) and forgot about the benefit of young talent. Pairing Ronaldo with Robinho would have opening up the offense and allowed for the creativity that Brazil is so famous for. Oh yeah, and a certain World Player of the Year never truly showed up.
Having watched both teams play throughout the tournament, I think there are only two strong conclusions to the question "What happened, Brazil?"
1) France is getting better each game. Early in the tournament I thought Zidane was just a shell of his former self. But he was brilliant against Spain and Brazil. Henry now looks to be willing and able to play alongside Ribery. Vieira looks to be capable once again.
2) Brazil did not get any better. Ronaldinho didn't have the room to operate as he does for Barca, and that might have something to do with having two rotund and/or immobile strikers in front. The D looked suspect. Next time around it will be good to get some new faces alongside Kaka and Ronaldinho to replace the legends.
In 1994 Brazil played with team unity. Parreira had his players holding hands and playing together. In that world cup, we also had superstars, but Parreira managed to get them to play together.
For reasons I can't comprehend, he didn't do that this time around. They played an individualistic ugly soccer that relied on quick counterattacks most of the time. Why? We seemed to never be able to keep the ball!
I agree that both Cafu and Roberto Carlos were past their prime, and the insistence on keeping Ronaldo on the game was ridiculous. Yeah he scored, but it was perfect passes at his feet that did it. If I saw him jog for a ball more than twice, it was once too many.
You can't win games with great players alone. You have to get them to work as a team. Parreira forgot that along the way, and Brazil paid the price. And I am not saying that Brazil deserved the World Cup, Germany/Portugal deserve it a lot more in my opinion, but they could have played better if they had played as a team.
I blame checkbook soccer. This was a team made up of "galacticos" who felt they had nothing to play for. It looked like they were playing a 'friendly' with France. No sense of urgency, no samba football but then no real footballers either.
Brazil didnt go anywhere and nothing happened to them. You cant expect a team to make every single final. 2 World Cups, 1 Final and 1 quarter final in the last 4 years is a phenomenal achievement. They will just come back next year and again will be the top contenders.
In the game against France I think Parreira made a mistake by leaving Ronaldo all alone in attack as he was always crowded by 2 or 3 defenders, but still managed to create his chances and was the only one that stepped up at the end when they needed a goal badly. Ronaldinho is not a striker. Adriano should have been there since the first minute, and Kaka should have never went out because he's the only one that builds up attacks. When he went out there was nobody to give the ball to in the middle and their attacks were a mess.
I knew Brasil would lose before the match even started. When the teams line up in the tunnel to head out to the pitch, there is silence, concentration. As the French team came to line up next to Brasil I thought Cafu and R.Carlos were going to ask Zidane for his autograph.... all the kissing and backslapping before the game, makes me think that THEY (selecao) wanted the French to win. That said, France looked brilliant while Brasil.... well, they just didn't seem interested.
no body can explain what happened to brazil, i am a soccer player and sometimes you just play bad, they dont have an ego, they are brazilian, dont you notice win, lose, or tie they are always smileing, they knew how good france was, because they were saying in interviews that france will be their toughest opponent, so it all comes down to them just playing bad. i still do believe that they are the best team in the world, and it should be intersting watching the next world cup.
Simple, Brazil starting every match yawning, and saying to the opponents, "do whatever you have to do, but do it quickly, we're Brazil, so we will win anyway". They didn't adapt each match depending on the opponnet, because "who cares, we're brazil, we will win anyway". Too much arrogance. It's a shame to waste so great talent by dismissing the opponents and don't even starting to play because, "we're great, we'll win anyway". Example: Ronaldinho at Barca plays great because the whole team is fighting like madmen pressuring the other team in their field, here everyone was having a walk in the park, no pressure, no worries.
And yes, their team was great, but guess what, there are about 8 -9 teams that can and have beaten this Brazil (Argentina,France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Mexico (remember last america's cup?), England, Portugal). Remember brazilians, this IS THE WORLD CUP, EVEN IF YOU HAVE THE BEST TEAM there are about 8-9 opponents who can seriously beat you.
I think it was the lack of hunger that hurted the game of Brazil. By playing with old guys like Cafu, Roberto Carlos, Emerson, instead of using Cicinho, Juninho Pernambucano, Robinho, Gilberto Silva... That group of old guys had achieved almost everything in soccer (World Cup, e.g.) and came to play with no passion at all. The young guns previosly mentioned were starving for stardom and that extra is usually enough to make explode the talent we all know they have. Ronaldinho? He looked swept away and too mentally tired after the long and hard run he had all season long with Barcelona. Leave the guy alone. He'll be back and shine in next world cup with a younger and hungrier brazilian team. Count on it! By the way, in my humble opinion, Argentina was the best and most consistent team in the cup...
Brazil needs your support right now, not just when they're on top. They are the best and will always be, because they are passionate about the game and love doing what they do. But please be sure to give credit where credit is due! France played a wonderful game. They played smart and succeeded in out-doing the best team in the world. They should be congratulated. If Brazil is your team then stand by them. Do you only say good things about your child when he is doing exactly what you want him to do? If you love them then love them all the time.
Brazil is right now the Real Madrid of national teams. Great collection of players, wonderfull talent, TREMENDOUS PAST (most world cups and most champions leagues), regarded as the best in the world, comercial obligations are first (sponsors, friendly games, preparation matches, preseason, I mean, brazil's training ground was sold out throught). All players are exceptional in both teams, and regardless of what everyone else is saying, they played well, not geat, but well.
In both cases they got out of touch with the passion of the game, the fighting spirit. They both think that just because they are who they are they deserve the tournament, opponents are there just like ornaments in their way to the trophy ceremony.
Come to think of it, just what happens when Rocky (yes, the movie) falls from grace to Mr. T who is more determined to win.
Too bad, they could've given us what the Italians are given us right now (of all!!!! who would have thought), a team determined to win that will go the extra mile.
yes, that the brazilians didn't cry is indicative of their commitment. The others cried or started a brawl not because they were sissys or just picking a fight or antisport, it's because they gave it all and feel frustraded, they died in the field.
Funny how everyone demands an explanation when Brasil loses. To all those who are out there insulting Brasil, ask yourself why an entire blog must be written to speculate how they could have lost.
This is the way it is when you're on top. Now, Brasil must once again get back to the top, which is stands are damn good chance of doing 4 years from now.
I guess the game plan is: Expect Brasil to win every game it takes the field for, but criticize Brasil when it loses AND when it wins.
By the way, I see much blame laid out to the easy targets, like Cafu and Ronaldo. Rightfully so, since Ronaldo in this game seemed more interested in falling down than in scoring goals.
But why has no one commented on Dida's absolutely heinous mistake that basically gave France that goal? Let's be honest - Brasil didn't create many scoring opportunities, so a goalkeeping mistake by Dida really hurt, but France didn't do much offensively, either. Were it not for Dida staying nailed to his line instead of calmly walking 4 yards forward to grab a lobbed free kick from far out, that game goes to overtime and likely PK's.
Barthez, who continues to make strange and inexplainable mistakes (his kick-save of a ball that was hit directly at him from 18 yards away, or his not even budging for Ronaldinho's free kick which missed the goal by a few inches, or his botching of another routine cross that he ran way out to retrieve), could just have easily given Brasil a 1-0 victory with his shaky goalkeeping.
In that situation, the blogs wouldn't be asking, "What happened, France?" since France had little expectation after its dismal 2002 showing and the fact that it barely qualified out of its not-so-difficult group.
They'd be asking why Brasil looks so bad with a Brazilian team headed to the semi-finals.
Brazil lost in the quarter-finals, yes, to the team that just defeated Portugal in the semi-finals. They went undefeated in World Cup play, winning their previous 11 games. Ronaldo, depsite your opinion about his girth/speed/attitude set a World Cup record for goals scored.
Was Brazil cocky? I can't say, because I never played for or against them and there haven't been any soundbytes indicating so. I can say that as the overwhelming favourites, Brazil was expected to win all of its games, while its opponents always had nothing to lose.
What happened to Brazil is that on Saturday July 1, France played much better than Brazil for 60 of the 90 minutes played. In that crystalizing moment fromthe first whistle to the last at the end of 90 minutes, the only thing that matters is not so much how you play on the pitch, but that you put more balls in the back of the net than your opponent. On July 1st, that is what France did.
I'm French and we have just won over Portugal for a place in final;Of course i'm pretty glad about it but i expected to seeing a much better play from France; the only thing they showed for 90 minutes is that we have a great, really great defense, specially thanks to Lilian Thuram who is an awesome defense player, i would have liked them to play as they played against Brazil, it was really good football. Congrats to the Portugal, they played very well and never gave up but they were unable to break the defense.The only thing quite a shame is that you really should stop fouling, it's really a shame (besides the fault on henry was not a foul, it was real). Hpoefully, in final, they will play much better and show us how a great football they can play as they did against brazil and spain.
Italy won't be easy to win but we have our chances and i'm convinced we will take them.....
I'm not a soccer addict nor player, but I've followed this World Cup seriously. As long as the soccer mavens want--and they do--teams like France will have the advantage over teams like Brazil because of the rules. I've decided that the offside (as in "offside trap" is the most pernicious of those). Put in an offside rule like in ice hockey--so a player could be behind other players at, say, the line of the box, but not ahead of the ball. Or, dump offsides altoghether and cut the width of the goal in half. Either would open the game up and cut the potential rewards of playing like France or Italy.
Posted: 6:50 PM by Anonymous I can't help it but wonder. Most Brazilian and Argentine players play in Europe. It's not to Europe's best interest to be ousted by South American teams. Therefore, if the South American players played their best their contracts may not be renewed. If they gave a lackluster performance , the owners of the European teams may have promised the players to renew their contracts for another four years. I wonder...
The clubs don't care which team wins. They watch the WC to scout talents. Every player knows that. So most players try to play good to get well paid contracts. The WC is the world biggest football player commercial.
And while Argentina's players might look interesting for some club managers. And I bet some have already got some offerings, like I bet that some African players got and will get good offering in the next weeks, the Brazilian players looked mediocre - and I also bet, that some club officials think twice before they make an offering to a brazilian player - or renew existing ones.
The clubs want to get new and better players - and don't care if their own national team get kicked out..
Look whom had they played before meeting France Australia, Croatia, Japan and Ghana. I think they lost their quality when they played such teams and suddenly when you play a European power on their own sold you face the defeat!
They lacked what everyone knows them for. Footballing passion and desire. Perhaps if they would have gone with the younger players who haven't won a billion world cups already, perhaps they would have had an ounce of desire. Comon Parreira... walking Ronaldo over Robinho? Any other team and Ronaldo would have been benched with out a second warning. and as ANYONE could see from the Japan game (granted Japan is not a world class power to be reckoned with) the beautiful game was beautiful again at the feet of the hungry, defense shredding "bench-warmers". And it was Japan who scored first lets remember exposing the lucky defense. It seemed as though Brazil handed all of their passion and desire over to Spain (Tunisian game anyone?), and was content to sluggishly stroke the ball about with an attack here and there when they felt so inclined. At least Gilberto or Cicinho would have been a little smarter than to leave Henry wide open in the box, with Zidane in command of the free kick. And the warning signs were there all along from lesser teams who found plenty of space but decided to shoot the ball straight at Dida each time.
in the end Parreira got what he wanted... a world cup record for Ronaldo and more caps for the old foegies... but at the dissapointed expense of fans like myself. Maybe he should take notes from Marco Van-Basten... and look for good soccer instead of great names.
From the beginning I knew we would not win it...not because the team is not good or is not playing well. It was just a matter of statistics! Chances f the same team to get to 4 straight finals and win 3 of them?? 0.00000...%
Anyway, we ARE still the best team, period!
For those who don't like please ask your team to "Joga Bonito"!!!
By now I hope the Brazilians know that football is supposed to be played & won by 11 players and not any individual!! This team that lost had players who were more concerned in seeking personal glory (as it was going to be their last W/Cup). The Brazilian team this year not only failed miserably but betrayed her fans all over the world.
Nike owns the Selecao now, and you'd better bewared of this......Joga Bonito is just another slogan when you start believing your own hype. Brazil looked weak throughout this tournament, with flashes of brilliance against the mighty Japan, granted. Lick your wounds Brazil, and pray they don't fester, 'cuz this just might represent the beginning of your descent into mediocrity.
To whoever disagree with Raven: Your coment just show how ignorant you are about soccer and specially about Brazil: nobody has five world championships by being celebrities in the soccer world. Why don't you try to understand the sport more and stop making coments that has no basis whatsoever? Brazil is not only a superpower in the soccer world but has an unlimited house farm with extremelly talented players being reconized everyday. I believe you should stick to baseball or others sports that you might understand and let the knowledgeable ones make coments. Whatch to see what'll happen in 2010 and them make a more realistic coment. Brazil rules the worldcup and always will regading of what you think and that's a fact. They are the most beloved team in the world another fact written in the NY Times by the way. So please check you big mouth before saying anything agaisnt this team ok? Check NY Times for you to see what I mean.
The Brazil teams of the 1970 and before were TRUE teams. They had Pele and yet he was surrounded by the ultimate cast of players. They won those 3 titles on their own. They dominated the opponents in the Final and didn't have to win it in shootouts or blunders by their opponents as was the case in 1994 and 2002.
Brazil won the Cup in 1994 because Italy was too scared to attack, too scared to cut Baggio loose and it backfired on them in the shoot-out.
In 1998 they should have lost to Holland in the Semi's if Patrick Kluivert could capitalize on at least ONE of his many chances at goal. Anyway, Brazil won the shootout and lost in the Final because France took the game right to them. Zagalo was too cocky and refused to watch French game tapes and assumed that the title was their's just by showing up.
In 2002, ONCE AGAIN as has ALWAYS been the case; Brazil was in an easy group. C'mon, China? Costa Rica? And who can forget the fake and cheat by Rivaldo against Turkey in the Semi's? Ball hits him in the leg, he grabs his face, gets the Turkish player sent off and Brazil wins 2-1. Too bad it didn't happen against England otherwise like the Maradona "hand of God" we would STILL hear about Rivaldo's "face of God" cheat. Oliver Kahn made the mistake in the Final, Ballack was suspended for Germany and Brazil won the Cup.
Finally your luck ran out. Even though once again Brazil was in an easy group. They played horribly throughout the tournament, and it was good to see them seem clueless against France. Funny part is that they always have EXCUSES for their losses. Water blamed for 1990, Ronaldo's illness in 1998 and I am sure something outrageous will be the reason for 2006. France has proven to teams that Brazil is not unbeatable, you just have to take it right at them.
Not to mention in 2002 they almost didn't even qualify. The end is near because unlike the past, now Brazil soccer is all about the individuals, not the team. And how sad that the World's best team also has the world's most corrupt domestic league.
What a shame BRAZIL! Without argument this team had the most takented individuals in the World Cup competition. Unfortunately the players on the field were selfish and refused to play as a true team, and those on the bench were there because of politics. May the best TEAM win the world cup while the best INDIVIDUAL players go home.
Everyone was playing for Ronaldo's wounded pride - you can see them looking for opportunities to give him a goal, and then after he beat the record, they assumed they could turn it on, but France beat them to it. I will be patient for my team and until then, Vive le France.
To Brazil, You guys are definately a true supreme soccer power ,but next time from the federation officials all the way up to the players, lets not be too cocky and focus on football instead of making those commercials which only fueled your already over-sized egos. Time for big changes for the selecao.
Many will remember the coach of Ghana saying that whoever the Black Stars face in their second round game would suffer.Yes Brazil won the game but at a terrible cost.Black Stars ran the Brazilians ragged for most of the game,so much so that they were physically and mentally drained after the encounter.If Essien had played,the samba boyz might well have been a second round casualty.
Brazil lost because they had no offense. Neither did france though. if you think about it. France scored their last two goals of the world cup off of penalty kicks that everyone knows were dives. Diving might help you win a few games but it just goes to show that in the end, cheaters never win. Congratulations Italy and good riddance Zidane.
Brazil under estimated the competition and I was very disapointed in that. They also stifeled the youth on their team. I love Cafu and Roberto Carlos but they need to pass the torch now. The coach needs to be replaced with one that will get the younger players involved. I hope the Federation has learned a lesson and start grooming the young players for 2010. I hope to be in South Africa to see them raise the Trophy for the 6th time. They will be able to do that if they revamp the team. For goodness sake please BE READY for 2010 and PLAY Brazilian soccer. Viva Brasil you are still my heros.