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Let's get physical

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Posted: Tuesday November 13, 2001 9:53 PM
Updated: Wednesday November 14, 2001 2:54 AM

 

By Marc Foster and Chris Apple, special to CNNSI.com

If anyone can give us a valid reason that penalty minutes should be valued in fantasy leagues and pools, we’d like to hear it. A quick survey of the major online pools out there shows that every one gives some form of credit for minutes served, and frankly, we don’t know why. If it’s to give some measure of value to a physical player, it’s the wrong way to do it. What’s the value of saying the magic words and going to the box for 10 minutes?

Early this summer a few of us got to thinking about this problem: How do you credit physical play using the right statistical measure? The answer came from Iain Fyffe, who’s currently serving as statistical apprentice to Society for International Hockey Research (SIHR, the equivalent to SABR for you baseball people) president Ernie Fitzsimmons.

In recent years, the NHL has added a few statistical categories that can help up determine the aggression value of a player. The first is hits, defined as a check that removes the opposing player from the puck. The second is takeaways, defined as removing the puck by use of the stick. So now we have a measure of aggression with the body and one with the stick.

But this aggression can go too far. Checks on players without possession are often called as obstruction or interference, or in more extreme cases boarding or charging. With the stick, you’ve got tripping, slashing, or worse. So why is it that pools and leagues use penalty minutes? Aren’t they measuring the wrong thing? A slugger who hits a lot of home runs often strikes out a lot, but we don’t see baseball pools and rotisserie leagues giving credit for those, do we?

After determining that hits themselves have virtually no statistical correlation to winning, Fyffe's original idea was to divide hits by penalty minutes. At the team level, the correlation with winning proved to be a respectable 0.38. The second step was to divide hits by times short-handed, thereby removing the effects of misconducts and other such unruly behavior. The correlation this time was 0.41, which is strong enough to show that disciplined aggression was an ingredient to winning. However, this only addressed bodily play, so we suggested that takeaways be added to hits, and the result was a correlation coefficient of 0.48.

Adding takeaways makes sense. The purpose of physical play is to gain (or retain) control of the puck, and this is measured statistically with hits and takeaways. Both measures record the same thing -- the change of possession -- through different means. Hits use the body and takeaways use the stick. In general, hits tend to be the more physical method. However, as we’ve seen in the past, when taken to the extreme, stick use is no less physical.

Now, there’s a bit of data manipulation to consider. Do we count all minor penalties and unmatched majors? Do we count the minutes earned from those penalties? Just exactly what figure do we consider for the denominator? We’ll leave that open for discussion, but for this column we’ve selected unmated minors for the player data and times short-handed for the team data.

20 Most Disciplined Players
With at Least 20 Takeaways + Hits
through Sunday
Rank  Player  Team  Unmatched
Minors 
TK +
Hits 
DAP 
Keith Tkachuk  STL  50  50.00 
Scott Stevens  N.J.  50  50.00 
Jarkko Ruutu  VAN  48  48.00 
Radek Dvorak  NYR  42  42.00 
Ladislav Benysek  MIN  41  41.00 
Dallas Drake  STL  37  37.00 
Tyler Wright  CBJ  37  37.00 
Jamal Mayers  STL  33  33.00 
Trent Klatt  VAN  64  32.00 
10  Scott Pellerin  BOS  30  30.00 
11  Brendan Morrison  VAN  29  29.00 
12  Cory Stillman  STL  29  29.00 
13  Ken Daneyko  N.J  27  27.00 
14  Tommy Westlund  CAR  27  27.00 
15  Alexander Mogilny  TOR  26  26.00 
16  John Madden  N.J.  26  26.00 
17  Kirk Muller  DAL  26  26.00 
18  Daniel McGillis  PHI  49  24.50 
19  Patrik Elias  N.J.  24  24.00 
20  Sergei Brylin  N.J.  24  24.00 
Unmatched minors -- Penalties that led to a powerplay for the opposing team.
TK + Hits -- Takeaways plus hits
DAP -- Disciplined Aggression Proxy, (TK+Hits)/Unmatched Minors

 

It’ll be curious to see how this works out at the end of the season. This column is an introduction to the method, and with limited season data, we clearly have a lot of outlier information due to the number of players with only one or two unmatched minors. We left players with no unmatched minors out of the analysis completely, though their data was incorporated for the team summaries.

20 Least Disciplined Players
With at Least 20 Takeaways + Hits
through Sunday
Rank  Player  Team  Unmatched
Minors 
TK +
Hits 
DAP 
Peter Bondra  WSH  14  28  2.00 
Markus Naslund  VAN  20  2.22 
Marek Malik  CAR  10  24  2.40 
Sergei Gonchar  WSH  10  24  2.40 
Brad May  PHX  11  27  2.45 
Benoit Hogue  DAL  21  2.63 
Brendan Shanahan  DET  10  27  2.70 
Alex Tanguay  COL  22  2.75 
Chris Clark  CGY  25  2.78 
10  Martin Skoula  COL  25  2.78 
11  Vincent Damphousse  S.J.  24  3.00 
12  Sandis Ozolinsh  CAR  21  3.00 
13  Matthieu Schneider  L.A  10  31  3.10 
14  Gary Suter  S.J.  25  3.13 
15  Chris Gratton  BUF  29  3.22 
16  Keith Primeau  PHI  26  3.25 
17  Mark Messier  NYR  26  3.25 
18  Aaron Miller  L.A.  23  3.29 
19  Claude Lemieux  PHX  10  33  3.30 
20  Pascal Trepanier  COL  20  3.33 
Unmatched minors -- Penalties that led to a powerplay for the opposing team.
TK + Hits -- Takeaways plus hits
DAP -- Disciplined Aggression Proxy, (TK+Hits)/Unmatched Minors

 

Again, we’re dealing with limited data, so I hope none of these players (or their fans) takes this analysis personally.

Team Discipline Rankings
through Sunday
Team  TK + Hits  TSh  DAP 
N.J.  529  56  9.45 
DAL  651  79  8.24 
OTT  526  67  7.85 
STL  548  72  7.61 
NYR  701  97  7.23 
PHI  424  59  7.19 
TOR  536  75  7.15 
NYI  549  77  7.13 
VAN  694  99  7.01 
CBJ  496  72  6.89 
COL  532  81  6.57 
BUF  432  66  6.55 
CGY  535  82  6.52 
NSH  452  73  6.19 
S.J.  588  95  6.19 
PHX  558  92  6.07 
CAR  636  105  6.06 
EDM  524  87  6.02 
ANA  460  77  5.97 
DET  522  90  5.80 
L.A.  520  90  5.78 
CHI  531  93  5.71 
MTL  421  76  5.54 
PIT  447  81  5.52 
FLA  483  88  5.49 
BOS  514  94  5.47 
MIN  371  71  5.23 
T.B.  354  69  5.13 
ATL  388  77  5.04 
WSH  420  89  4.72 
TSh -- Times short-handed
TK + Hits -- Takeaways plus hits
DAP -- Disciplined Aggression Proxy, (TK+Hits)/Unmatched Minors)
 

There are some interesting outliers here. We know that undisciplined aggression is of no consequence if the team has strong penalty killing (and vice versa). So, while the Rangers and Devils rank high in disciplined play, they also happen to be the worst penalty killers in the league. Conversely, the Bruins appears undisciplined, but their penalty killing ranks third in the league. Obviously, this speaks to the idea that discipline (as a statistical concept) and special teams play may not be related, though we make that assertion without checking the correlation. We hesitate to speculate on less than quarter-season of data, but this is something that certainly warrants more scrutiny.

Marc Foster is a research analyst in Fort Worth, Texas. Chris Apple is a database analyst/Internet specialist in Lincoln, Neb. Together, they operate HockeyResearch.com, and hope to one day elevate statistical research in hockey to the level seen in other sports.


 
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